From: Scott Morris (smorris@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Sat Oct 25 2008 - 17:56:44 ARST
I'd hardly consider it a winner in the war of a ring. That's not exactly
how things managed to go down. While technical merit is always a baseline
evaluation, keep in mind that the entire process is and was a business
transaction. Very much how anyone chooses which device to put into a
network, and where to purchase it from, there are considerations beyond
technical.
And the technical, by the way, only establishes a "minimally acceptable
baseline" just as you designing your network.
But with anything, make evaluations as you would for any major purpose and
go with whatever particular guidelines are most important to you!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:34 PM
To: Antonio Soares
Cc: Bill Eyer; Narbik Kocharians; Brad Ellis; Troy F.; Robert Dobre;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S
All,
We cannot call NMC's workbook a "VICTIM" of the Cisco 360 Program when it is
the "BASIS" of the Cisco 360 Program.
The NMC Program is the the Cisco 360 Program rebranded by Cisco.
Simple as that. Take a look at the netmasterclass.net store and see for
yourself.
Also note the VODs from NMC that mention the new name in them that was a
"HINT of THINGS to COME" and now are happening.
One Workbook to bind them all....
Kinda funny if anyone thinks it is anything else. Make no mistake. Cisco
bought into NMC's product.
So no matter how you may feel about InternetworkExpert, IPExpert, Micronics
or others... they are now the rebels and the make no mistake which vendor
won the in the "War of the Ring".
Kinda funny since NMC did not yet offer a 100% solution yet. Their VOD
Solutions were as of yet incomplete in terms of how their products compared
to others and the CCIE Blueprint.
I guess it's not what you sell... but who you sell to... that matters
sometime.
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Antonio Soares <amsoares@netcabo.pt> wrote:
> Well, the NMC's DoIT workbook seems the first victim of the 360 program...
> All the excellent products they had simply disappeared from the store.
> And i feel more bad news are coming :(
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares@netcabo.pt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Bill Eyer
> Sent: sabado, 25 de Outubro de 2008 18:26
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Brad Ellis; Troy F.; Robert Dobre; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S
>
> Narbik
>
> What I am trying to fully understand is this:
>
> 1. Will some vendors remain independent (and hopefully more
> reasonably
> priced)
> 2. Those who also jump into the Cisco 360 program, will they just be
> teaching NetMaster's class or will they be able to develop their own.
>
> Bill
>
> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > There is only one authorized CCIE program, before Cisco made this
> > announcement, all you had to do was submit your work book and as
> > long as you adhered to certain stuff your course/class became
authorized.
> > But since Cisco has made the announcement about their program, THERE
> > IS NO OTHER CISCO AUTHORIZED CLASS, whether its derivative or NOT,
> > if you want to see who is correct, JUST CALL CISCO AND FIND OUT.
> > Cisco at this time is only working with certain vendors, and NONE of
> > the vendors in this list can offer these classes, they can only do
> > so by going through the companies that i mentioned. Once again, CALL
> > CISCO AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES. Cisco will NOT work with any
> > company to lower the price, if that was the case, Global Knowledge,
> > Skyline-ATS,
> Fast
> Lane and CTT would had done it already.
> > Now what happens in the future? God knows, but what i am stating is
> > the fact as of NOW.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> It's geared towards corporate customers at the moment. We are
> >> working with Learning@Cisco to offer some lower cost options as well.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Brad Ellis
> >> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> CCSI# 30482
> >> CEO / President
> >> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> >> Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> >> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> >> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bill Eyer [mailto:beyer@optonline.net]
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:14 AM
> >> To: Brad Ellis
> >> Cc: Troy F.; Robert Dobre; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S
> >>
> >> In an open request to all vendors, PLEASE consider continuing to
> >> offer your own material. $4500 just to get started is really steep.
> >>
> >> Is Cisco trying to make this exclusive just by making it too
> >> expensive for most people to afford?
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> Brad Ellis wrote:
> >>
> >>> NMC is the only one advertising the program that I can find. We
> >>> are working with Cisco now on the possibilities of offering the
program.
> >>>
> >>> I did hear that Brian applied to become a CLP, so it's possible
> >>> he'll
> >>>
> >> be
> >>
> >>> offering it too.
> >>>
> >>> Fyi - CCBOOTCAMP has been a Cisco authorized training partner for
> >>> over seven years now. Our current CCIE training programs are
> >>> approved by Cisco as derivative works.
> >>>
> >>> thanks,
> >>> Brad Ellis
> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >>> CCSI# 30482
> >>> CEO / President
> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> >>> Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> >>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >>> Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> >>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>>
> >> Of
> >>
> >>> Troy F.
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:47 PM
> >>> To: Robert Dobre
> >>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S
> >>>
> >>> Looks Like NMC has released their offerings:
> >>> http://blog.netmasterclass.net/?p=34
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone registered for that program yet? Since that is a Cisco
> >>> program can you buy it from Cisco or should we do it though a
> >>> vendor?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Troy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/23/08, Robert Dobre <robert.dobre@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Group,
> >>>>
> >>>> As Cisco recently announced there is a learning program called
> >>>> Cisco
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> 360
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> that will be available starting November 1st.
> >>>> As a result of that, I saw that Internetworkexpert started the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> registration
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> for the Assestment Lab (plus a major anouncement for early next
> >>>> week)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Netmasterclass closed the online store anouncing the offering of
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> new
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Cisco 360 learning program.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am wondering how will affect this new program the offer of the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> existing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> CCIE learning providers.
> >>>> Is Internetwork expert going to finalize the Lab workbook 1 v5 ?
> >>>> Will we be able to book existing Mock labs to the CCIE providers?
> >>>> Will we have a transition to the unified learning structure?
> >>>>
> >>>> How do you see it ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Please find below the Official mesage:
> >>>>
> >>>> *Available November 1st: Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE
> >>>> Routing
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Switching*
> >>>>
> >>>> Designed to help high potential network professionals transform
> >>>> into certified network experts, the Cisco 360 Learning Program
> >>>> for CCIE
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Routing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> and Switching is the first Cisco authorized learning program for
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> expert
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> training. The Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE Routing and
> >>>> Switching prepares networking professionals for the challenges of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> managing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> sophisticated networks as well as the configuration and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> troubleshooting
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> scenarios found on CCIE examinations.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program is a six-month blended learning
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> experience
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> incorporating advanced skills assessments, targeted learning
> >>>> modules, instructor-led training, mentoring and hands-on practice
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> assessement
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The Cisco 360
> >>>> Learning
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Program
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> will be made available through select authorized Cisco Learning
> >>>> Partners<
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/rd?1=AvcG~wpVDv8SU6X3Gu0e~yL~Jvkq~x~~
> >> &2
> >> =13
> >>
> >>> 48
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>> For more information, visit Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Routing and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Switching.<
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/rd?1=AvcG~wpVDv8SU6X3Gu0e~yL~Jvkq~x~~
> >> &2
> >> =14
> >>
> >>> 07
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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