From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 16:15:42 ART
Bob,
You are 100 percent correct, and You, Val and Bruce are certified to teach
and from this group i believe Paul Borghese, Johnny Bass, Vasil and i are
almost there. There was another gentleman that i forgot the name.
Thanks for the clarification.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> Maybe it was ARS. Dunno, that was a long time ago! :)
>
> I think I have a good relationship with most. Ask your coworkers there.
> Good group of people!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luan Nguyen [mailto:luan@netcraftsmen.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:22 AM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Gary Duncanson'
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> ARS Limited wasn't it? Not ARG? My wife used to work there.
> When I took the NMC's bootcamp, there was 2 Cisco folks there I believe.
> There was also a nice English lady who came over from England for both I
> and
> II classes.
> I bet Scott still keep good contact/relationship with the ex-Mentor's folks
> :)
>
> Luan Nguyen
> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:01 AM
> To: 'Gary Duncanson'
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.... :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:garyduncanson@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:34 AM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> You used to teach for Mentor didn't you Scott? I still have Caslows book
> although it's in bits these days. Anything by Bruce and Val is worth
> looking
> over.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Wes Stevens'" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:36 AM
> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
>
> > Absolutely. No doubt about it. Before that, it was ECP-1 at Mentor
> > Technologies. Before that it was some class at ARG, or in other words...
> > Follow Bruce's history. :)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Wes Stevens
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:14 PM
> > To: swm@emanon.com; Darby Weaver
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
> >
> > They may today but 6 years ago they did not. There were not a lot of
> > choices at the time.....
> >
> > I know that the couple of cisco folks that I met said that at the time
> > NMC was the only choice they had.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>
> > To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Darby Weaver
> > <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:41:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
> >
> > Cisco has people in most vendor's bootcamps on a regular basis. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Wes Stevens
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:10 PM
> > To: Darby Weaver
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
> >
> > No big surprise that Cisco picked NMC. They have always taken the high
> > road on training. Their training was always focused on really teaching
> > you the technology - not how to pass the lab. Learn the technology
> > well and the lab will follow. I know Cisco used to send their own
> > people there on a regular basis.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> > To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00:18 PM
> > Subject: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
> >
> > NetworkWorld has announced that Cisco will soon unveil its CCIE training
> > program <http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33978> for the
> Routing
> > and Switching track. It looks like it will be called the "Cisco 360
> > Learning Program for CCIE - Routing and Switching".
> >
> > *Cisco Tuesday rolled out Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE - Routing
> > and
> > Switching, a six-month program that incorporates e-learning and hands-on
> > practice labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The program is
> > designed
> > to run head-on against third-party boot camps, which Cisco says are not
> up
> > to par(you'll be able to read more about Cisco's thoughts on this in
> > Network
> > World's IT Careers & Training newsletter on Wednesday). The program will
> > be
> > made available through select authorized Cisco Learning Partners and
> > consist
> > of pre-assessments, six online classes covering topics such as IPv6, QoS,
> > Frame Relay, Border Gateway Protocol and switching, instructor-led
> > workshops, practice labs and mentoring. The courses start at $5,000 but
> > can
> > reach to double-digits for the mentorship features.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > Basically here's the skinny:
> >
> > There was a competiton or bid of sorts between the major vendors.
> >
> > It seems NMC won the bid. Maybe others but we'll see in a few days. As
> > of
> > now just NMC that I am aware of.
> >
> > The training program will be based on the NMC-1 Advanced CCIE 1-Week
> Class
> > currently offered by NMC.
> >
> > The pre-assessments are similar to NMC's per-technology quick exams -
> > currently less than 15Q each as I recall - correct me it's been a while
> > since I tried one.
> >
> > The pre-assessment will be similar to the CCIE Accessor or the Day-1 Lab
> > given by NMC on the first day of class.
> >
> > The online classes will likely mimick and/or mirror the NMC Video on
> > Demand,
> > which consequently in some cases are quite "exactly" similar to the NMC
> > Tech
> > Library which is quite "exactly" similar to the NMC-1 one-week CCIE
> > Bootcamp. This material is nearly word-for-word verbatim to the class as
> > I
> > recall.
> >
> > The practice labs will likely be very much the CheckIT Labs with the
> > CheckIT
> > grading system.
> >
> > Anyone from back in the day who used Mentor Technologies VLabs will
> recall
> > the format and layout.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you can still by the Tech Library for $149.00 it is probably the best
> > deal going since you get the material that this system will be based on.
> >
> > With all of this said:
> >
> > NMC's approach to tackling a lab is perhaps the most scientific and well
> > thought-out and planned in the industry. I think few will contest this.
> > Caslow coined the term "The Golden Moment".
> >
> > The CheckIT Lab Grading System is probably among the best grading and
> > feedback system in the business.
> >
> > The knowledge level of the NMC Team is enormous and easily one of the
> best
> > "Brainshares" in the business and every vendor without exception respects
> > NMC above all their other competition.
> >
> > The scientific method that they employee is freely available for viewing
> > and
> > really tells the story of how to approach the lab in a very clear and
> > concise manner.
> >
> >
> >
> > What else can I tell you? Wait and see if I'm right or wrong?
> >
> >
> >
> > However, I'm not sure that at $5000.00 to $20,000.00 for mentorships it
> > will
> > be able to beat InternetworkExpert End-to-End CCIE Learning Program,
> > IPExperts Blended Learning Solution for the CCIE, or Narbik's $2000.00
> > "Till
> > You Pass" limited time offer.
> >
> > And there are others.
> >
> > Also while the team at NMC is quite superior in terms of sheer knowledge
> > and
> > presentation, I would be curious to see if this knowledge can be scaled
> to
> > the level that such an announcement might presume.
> >
> >
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