From: Gary Duncanson (garyduncanson@btinternet.com)
Date: Sat Oct 11 2008 - 08:00:49 ART
Reading is an ongoing and long term thing.
Study for the written properly. That's one of the best way's to know these
things in depth in my experience. The exam may have changed but the
theoretical learning opportunity is there for you if you want it. Back in
2000 I spent time with the WAN technologies guide and all the ATM theory.
Over Christmas 2000 I poured over Giles. In 2001 I read BGP papers by Pete
Welcher and recall his insistance to stick with it, 'even the material you
don't understand'. Later much time with Caslow and Doyle, Stevens and Hutnik
and Saterlee. A lot of folks batter through the written these days, but a
good number still do the necessary reading, not only to pass but to learn
the technologies up through the OSI layers.
It helps in interviews. I landed a great job back in 2000 on the back of
learning such things. Not that I was an expert or anything but it certainly
impressed the technical director that I was actually taking time to learn
such arcane things. Helps with lab prep too and helps in the field.
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From: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Narbik coolaid
> The simple truth is most CCIE Candidates in the beginning are not
> necessarily well-prepared for the CCIE Journey. And it takes a while to
> get
> prepared. But if a candidate is currently working on a significant
> network,
> naturally that candidate has a firm sense of pride and accomplishment.
>
> However, if someone were to sit down with any given candidate and ask
> about
> arp, spanning-tree, the route selection process aka route recursion, and
> then go into the how a given route is selected or not selected for use in
> the routing table, and how each routing protocol selects a Designated
> Router, Feasible Successor, Successor, or how even things like
> split-horizon
> works or poison reverse. Then if they were asked to explain the what the
> differences between a physical interface, point-to-point interface, and
> multipoint interface and the signifigance of each with respect to each
> routing protocol....
>
> Then we'd have about 60-70% less candidates taking a class just yet.
> Since
> they would need to go back and learn these things. I'd venture to say
> that
> probably 50% of the existing CCIE's today had trouble explaining in detail
> how DHCP or Mail traveled in a network from a "Packet's Perspective" in
> the
> beginning.
>
>
> So it really is not about the quality of the vendors or their styles, I
> can
> tell you quite firmly that the instructor's I've met in my classes were
> quite well prepared. It is I who as a student was not as well prepared to
> meet them when I did. I suspect many of us share the same story.
>
> Let's face it the devil is in the details. How many CCNA, CCNP, even
> CCIE's
> (aside from instructors and writers who may have these details down by
> now)
> can break down and explain most every protocol on a whim? Not all, I can
> assure you.
>
> So the truth is if everyone waited until they were ready to absorb even
> 70-80% of a given bootcamp... our instructrors would likely be in another
> line of work.
>
> Careful what you wish for.
>
> This very small group of people has had probably the single-most important
> and positive effect on our lives than we can probably comprehend.
>
> That sounds like a bold statement. But without these guys teaching us and
> clearing things up for us day in and day out many of us... most of us
> would
> not be where we are today and likely neither would our respective
> companies.
>
> So that is quite important in the total sum of things.
>
>
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