From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 10 2008 - 14:36:26 ART
I feel that IE brought enormous amount to the CCIE community. Sure there are
good instructors and great instructors, but there is no denying that of IE's
enormous effort.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Scott Morris <
smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> HA! Not without lots of alcohol. :) I'm a keyboard guy anyway.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:09 AM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Ahmed Elhoussiny'; 'Bill Eyer'; 'Narbik Kocharians';
> 'Nate Cielieska'; 'Kim teu'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Anthony Faria'; 'Cisco
> certification'
> Subject: RE: Narbik coolaid
>
> I was wondering when "et. Al" in your signature Scott would include "Lead
> Vocalist, Velvet Revolver"
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:29 AM
> To: 'Ahmed Elhoussiny'; 'Bill Eyer'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Nate Cielieska';
> 'Kim teu'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Anthony Faria'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Narbik coolaid
>
> I'm not sure I've ever been compared to the older (better!) Metallica or
> Megadeth albums before... Excellent! That's got to be a hell of a
> marketing quote there! (grin)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
> Power corrupts.
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Ahmed Elhoussiny
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:04 AM
> To: Bill Eyer; Narbik Kocharians; Nate Cielieska; Kim teu; Brian Dennis;
> Anthony Faria; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Narbik coolaid
>
> Its not a problem at all to see un satisfied person from a class at Vendor
> X
> , and another one is saying that Vendor Y is like going to Hell , and Other
> ppl saying that they are great .
>
> I like to read this posts , Take the +ve & -ve view , and see what is the
> best for me.
>
> The best thing for an Instructor/vendor is to learn from -ve feedback , and
> thier must be some -ve feedback as no body is perfect .....but ofcorse if
> there isnt any +ve feedback...that would be a problem :)
>
> After finishing my written exam , reading Tons of Cisco press books and
> some
> other vendor's books , I did the
>
> IE VOD + MOC LABs which gave me alot of experince on CCIE TRICKS at the
> same time I heared some of Scott Morris increadble Voice records in my car
> whenever im heading to work , to club ...any where ......for me it was just
> like Old Metallica/Megdeth Albums it ROCKS..............Ive also gone thru
> Narbick documnets souptonuts which i see are GREAT.................The
> funny
> thing is i went to a 7 days bootcamp with another vendor Netmetric with
> TarunPahuja..........
>
> All were great , all of them got +ves & -ves ....so you pick the most
> vendor that will reach your demands + i beleive in always using more than
> 1
> Vendor .......as not only to gain knowledge , *but to have/learn the
> Expeince of different types of teaching/Instructing techincques , *
>
> thats my own personal point of view........
>
> B.regards
> Ahmed Elhoussiny CCIE # 21988
> Net Eng. & Cisco Academy Instructor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Bill Eyer <beyer@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > I think it is nice when students tell us about things that worked for
> them.
> > However, I think people should stay away from slamming things they
> > didn't like.
> >
> > Personally I have had some bootcamps situations degraded by -- yes,
> > not the vendor, the students. There are a bunch of people who think
> > this is a CCNA bootcamp, go two weeks, get a certification. They show
> > up unprepared, come late leave early, then expect the instructor to
> > teach
> down to their level.
> >
> > Financially, I supposed vendors have to accept students of this type
> > whether they want to or not, but it sure hurts those of us who prepped
> > to come and are serious about what we want to get out of the class.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >
> >> I think IE should hire Bruce, Val, and Jared as well.......Just a
> >> joke don't get excited man just a joke.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Nate Cielieska <ncielieska@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> There are too many emails like this on the group imo .. groupstudy
> >>> is really starting to become a marketing tool.. not a learning one.
> >>> Its unfortunate.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Kim teu <kim.teu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Last year, I used the IE End-to-End program and passed my R&S on my
> >>>> first trial.
> >>>>
> >>>> Like you, I went to Brians' Bootcamp without meeting the
> prerequisites.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> was supposed to finish the two weeks VOD, prior to the bootcamp,
> >>>> but I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> only
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> finished the first week. I was overwhelmed by the intensive lab
> >>>> during
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> bootcamp. However, I didn't get upset. I sat through the class
> >>>> and learned as much as I can.
> >>>>
> >>>> After the bootcamp, I followed through the E2E. I was also able to
> >>>> view the VOD version of the bootcamp online. I was told that I
> >>>> could go to the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> next
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> bootcamp if needed, but I didn't. The E2E program offers you so
> >>>> many
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ways
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> for you to get the knowledge in your head to pass the test. Only
> >>>> use the bootcamp a month or couple of months before the exam to
> >>>> sharpen the area that you are not sure about.
> >>>>
> >>>> IE is still my choice when I go for my next CCIE.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> May All Behappy!!!
> >>>> Kim Loon Teu
> >>>> UE=uBW
> >>>> CCIE 19369
> >>>> www.kimteu.com
> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kimteu
> >>>>
> >>>> All conditioned phenomena
> >>>> Are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow Like the dew, or
> >>>> like lightning You should discern them like this
> >>>> R;GPSPN*7(#,HgCN;CE]S0#,HgB6R`Hg5g#,S&WwHgJG9[
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Brian Dennis <
> >>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Anthony,
> >>>>> You paid 6k to come to the 12 day bootcamp in June knowing that
> >>>>> you did not meet the prerequisites as you yourself stated below.
> >>>>> Everyone who signs up for our 12 day bootcamp gets the self-paced
> >>>>> E2E free of charge
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> so
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> that they do not end up coming to the bootcamp unprepared as you
> >>>>> stated you did.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since you knew that you were not ready for the June 12 day
> >>>>> bootcamp
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> when
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> you signed up around April, you also reserved a seat in the
> >>>> November 12
> >>>>> day bootcamp under our investment protection program. Although
> >>>>> this is unusual (sign up for the reseat before attending the first
> >>>>> bootcamp) we allowed it. By paying only 6k it means you got all
> >>>>> of the R&S
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> self-paced
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> material (same as in the self-paced E2E), 24 days worth of class
> >>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> rack
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> time for just 6k. If you subtract out the list price of the
> >>>> self-paced
> >>>>> materials and the 24 days worth of rack time you essentially got
> >>>>> the 24 days of class free. But since you came not meeting the
> >>>>> prerequisites
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> does not matter what the cost because you were not going to be able
> >>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> get
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> much out of it. In fact you spent your time in the bootcamp doing
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> R&S
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Vol I labs or watching the IEATC-RS CoD since you were not ready
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> bootcamp scenarios.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When you come to a bootcamp not meeting the prerequisites or
> >>>>> needing to learn X but the bootcamp is teaching Y, you of course
> >>>>> are not going to leave happy. A good analogy for not meeting the
> >>>>> prerequisites and attending a class would be when I was in
> >>>>> college. My first semester in college after serving in the
> >>>>> military for a few years I was scheduled
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> take "Calculus I". At the same time I wanted to take "Physics with
> >>>>> Calculus" which was not a good idea since I had been out of school
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> few years and had not taken "Calculus I", the math prerequisite yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> The
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> normal progression is to take "Calculus I" and then "Physics with
> >>>>> Calculus" the following semester. In order to get into the
> >>>>> "Physics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Calculus" class without meeting the prerequisite I needed to get a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> waiver
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> from the head of the Physics Department. Not only did I get a
> >>>> waiver
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> get into the Physics class without meeting the prerequisite, I
> >>>> talked
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> my
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> way into getting accepted into the honors version of the "Physics
> >>>> with
> >>>>> Calculus" course. So there I was taking "Calculus I" while at the
> >>>>> same time taking "Honors Physics with Calculus". Needless the say
> >>>>> I had created a nightmare for myself and ended up having to drop
> >>>>> the Physics class as you did when you left the 12 day bootcamp
> >>>>> after the first
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> week.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> You cannot imagine how much I thoroughly enjoyed just taking the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> standard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> version of the "Physics with Calculus" class the next semester
> >>>> after I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> had
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> completed "Calculus I".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The point is that you needed to either have attended the bootcamp
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> in now or have worked through the self-paced material we gave you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> before
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> attending our 12 day bootcamp. Also just because they are both
> >>>>> "bootcamps" it does not mean they are targeted towards the same
> >>>>> level
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> candidate. As Brian McGahan pointed out the 12 day bootcamp
> >>>> targets
> >>>>> people who are looking for that last 20% to 30% of their
> >>>>> preparation
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> not the first 70% (IEATC-RS CoD, Vol I and first 5 Vol II labs).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We of course hope to see you in the Nov 12 day bootcamp you are
> >>>>> signed
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> up
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> for but if you come I will ask one thing. Do not laugh at any more
> >>>> of
> >>>>> Petr's jokes about me as it just encourages him ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good Luck!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> >>>>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> >>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 703
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 703
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: tfaria72@gmail.com
> >>>>> Sent: Wed, October 8, 2008 21:33
> >>>>> Subject:Narbik coolaid
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> received
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts
> >>>>> regarding Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same
> >>>>> time a lot of people said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real
> >>>>> person and some of you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> know
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> me.
> >>>>> I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of
> >>>>> myself
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> at
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad.
> >>>>> I did
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> not
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say
> >>>>> so. I thought I would just re take the class and that would fix
> >>>>> things. Well
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> It
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Narbiks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his
> >>>>> class
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> so
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> answers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> it.
> >>>>> The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> go
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> true.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> learn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said
> >>>> anything
> >>>>> before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go
> >>>>> into details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think
> >>>>> the first
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> five
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your
> >>>>> money
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> buy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit
> >>>> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> cost
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I
> >>>>> wrong!! I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> am
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> not
> >>>>> saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it
> >>>>> was not worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this
> >>>>> is the one I suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I
> >>>>> usually dont like confrontation. I felt I should say my
> >>>>> experience. No one twisted my arm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me
> >>>>> ban me
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> do
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> whatever. This is just my opinion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tony
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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