From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 16:38:33 ART
Nah similar to KISS when they put out some disco.
:)
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, D.H. Williams <draythw@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, sticking with analogies, a CCIE whose skills have faded is similar to
> KISS when they took off their makeup, right?
>
> Good sign though, in that if you study you can freshen them back up (ie put
> the makeup BACK ON!)
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, not if your BGP tricks have sank to the low of Jimmie Page's guitar
> > licks back in those days!
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:18 PM
> > To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Nate Cielieska'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Remember: Maintain
> >
> > Are you saying we can't have a Reunion Tour? :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott M Vermillion
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:53 PM
> > To: 'Nate Cielieska'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Remember: Maintain
> >
> > Hey Nate,
> >
> > This discussion is timely from my perspective, so I thought I'd add a
> > perspective or two...
> >
> > Certainly CCIEs who have let their technical prowess completely dissipate
> > reflect poorly on this most prestigious credential. It's kind of like
> > seeing a tribute to an old band or artist and they themselves come out on
> > stage towards the end, only to find they can't string all the lyrics
> > together anymore. You get angry at them because *you* can remember them
> > all
> > by heart! And let us not forget that very regrettable Led Zeppelin
> reunion
> > thing back in the late eighties. But I digress...
> >
> > If we are truly honest with ourselves, we will likely reach the
> conclusion
> > that the lab tests us on some rather tricky little things that require an
> > investment of our time to master but that are not something we are
> entirely
> > likely to encounter in the real world; they are a test of our reasoning
> > ability, our knowledge of the documentation as it exists at that moment,
> > our
> > time and stress management abilities, our sheer determination, etc. As
> an
> > example, this time last year I could sit down and bang out a menu that
> > would
> > allow hypothetical CCNAs to display a route table with the press of a key
> > or
> > two, ping a particular IP, and successfully exit the menu so that another
> > login could later be accomplished. Ditto for silly little lock-and-key
> > type
> > of tasks. Today I have a pretty good idea of where that's all laid out
> in
> > the documentation, but I'm quite certain it's not knowledge I'll ever put
> > to
> > any good use. I certainly haven't bothered to maintain it.
> >
> > What's more, some technologies being tested in the lab might be retained
> > past their half-life simply because of their sheer torture value. We all
> > know that some tricky little tasks can be cobbled together when FR is
> > thrown
> > in the mix - especially where OSPF and multicast are concerned. Now
> we've
> > had this discussion around here before and I know that some people still
> > encounter FR on a regular basis and expect to into the foreseeable
> future,
> > but I sure as hell do not. I earned my CCNA back in 2001 and the months
> > leading up to that were my introduction to this oft-tested technology
> that
> > none of my clients ever gave a damn about.
> >
> > The other big issue is that many of us do not work in a NOC of any sort -
> > never have, never will. I do mostly architecture and systems
> integration.
> > Yet my clients were demanding the CCIE for some of the more interesting
> > projects and so I responded in the affirmative. There was no CCDE at the
> > time and that cert is likely to take time to gain any traction anyway
> (not
> > that I'd be likely to pass it anyway), so this is the barometer by which
> > most of us are and for the foreseeable future will be judged - do we have
> a
> > number or not? The good news here being that knowing a preponderance of
> > the
> > configuration options for the various core technologies makes you a
> better
> > architecture/integration guy; you get your butt kicked much less often
> > during your own pilot testing of a design or a concept. So it still has
> > great value and thank goodness NOC jobs aren't the only opportunities out
> > there for CCIEs!
> >
> > Having said all of that, we have the two-year recertification
> requirement,
> > which certainly helps to keep non-NOC guys honest over the long-haul.
> And
> > most of us will stop to brush back up on our own when we realize it's
> time.
> > I personally am making a second pass through R&S material before moving
> on
> > to trying to get really serious about SP again (sigh)...
> >
> > Scott V
> > (2002 numbers behind you)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Nate
> > Cielieska
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:19 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Remember: Maintain
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I just wanted to send a quick email to give some perspective a month or
> two
> > after i passed the exam. I will be honest, after your CCIE the last thing
> > you want to do is study.. i took about a month off but i take once a week
> > to
> > do a IE core lab or once every two weeks go through one of Narbik's
> > workbooks (I will be doing SP or Security after Jan.1) . In my travels i
> > have been able to interview some pretty strong IE's and regretably.. some
> > weak ones. The real differentiator that i have been able to find is
> > maintenance. I think this is one of the reasons why guys with 1xCCIE (ie
> > Bruce Caslow) have such great reputations in the network community and
> some
> > people with multiple IE's are not trusted because the IE became a focus
> on
> > what i'm doing now, and everything else slip (including a non solidified
> > understanding of content in an earlier IE). The CCIE is not a
> destination,
> > it is an affirmation of your skills @ a snapshot in time. Since i have
> > passed the CCIE i feel that i have a responsibility to the network
> > community
> > (and my employer) to maintain the skills that are to do with Routing and
> > Switching, if i feel strong enough that i am @ a CCIE level verbatim with
> > those technologies, i will consider another one. I think that mindset
> after
> > the exam maintains the integrity of the certification to which we have
> all
> > worked so hard.
> >
> > Just wanted to throw some perspective from someone a little bit after
> they
> > passed.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nate
> > CCIE #21955
> >
> >
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