From: Brian McGahan (bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 04:10:08 ART
Hi Anthony,
Not to take anything away from what you said below, but it would be only
fair if you also included the fact that you knew coming into our 12 day
Bootcamp that you were not even close to being prepared for it.
Although, as you know, I wasn't present for the class due to other
teaching obligations, Brian and Petr informed me that you opted to do
the R&S Volume I labs the week of class over the Bootcamp material. The
problem with this approach is that the Bootcamp material is designed for
people who are looking for that last 20% of their preparation, and not
the first 20%, which is what the Volume 1 labs are targeted for.
Also a prerequisite for attending the 12 day Bootcamp is to complete
both weeks of our Advanced Technologies Class-on-Demand. The reason we
highly suggest candidates to do this is that there's no possible way
that you can learn everything in a 5 day or even a 12 day class. You
need to have a very strong background in the "why" of the technologies
before you try to apply the "how". Reviewing your account I can see
that you had only viewed less than 5% of the CoD before attending the
Bootcamp.
Once again not to take away from what you are getting this week, but the
the two Bootcamps (Narbik's and ours) aren't positioned as the same
offerings in the market. If you read the description for the class
posted on our website it says:
"Audience:
CCIE Routing & Switching lab candidates who are within two months of
their lab exam. Ideally students will take this Bootcamp and appear for
the real lab the following week. Because this is an advanced Bootcamp,
introductory material will not be covered and students are expected to
have attended the Advanced Technologies Class Online or watched the
Advanced Technologies Class-on-Demand along with having completed at
least the first five Routing & Switching Volume II Workbook labs prior
to attending."
For example, for candidates attending this class we assume that they do
not need a 10 hour lecture on OSPF, since they should have already spent
vast amounts of time in their preparation reading about how OSPF works,
watching our CoD that explains live on the CLI how and why OSPF works,
and configured OSPF themselves on the CLI extensively.
You took our Bootcamp with the intention of retaking it again at a later
date, which of course we will still honor, and I would love to meet you
in, however I think this is counterproductive. Personally I think it
would have been better to start at the foundation, work through that
material (workbook volume 1, CoD), and then compile a large list of
questions that you would like to bring up with the instructor in
real-time during the Bootcamp.
The point in the end is that there are no shortcuts to passing this
exam. The candidates that consistently fail the exam over and over and
over, and we have met many that have hit 10+ attempts before passing,
are the ones that refuse to step back and see the forest for the trees.
Unless you take the technological prerequisites for the exam seriously
and evaluate yourself honestly, you'll find yourself facing a $1350
lunch, and a $50 rack rental ;)
Please feel free to contact me offline to discuss this in more detail.
You can reach me at this email address or at 877-224-8987 x 705.
Thanks,
Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com <mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
Anthony Faria wrote:
> Well I wanted to send this email out to the guys starting out. If you are
> wondering what boot camp to take. First off let me say I in no way received
> or profited from this email in anyway. I read a lot of posts regarding
> Narbik`s bootcamps and how great they were. At the same time a lot of people
> said it was Narbik posting them. I am a real person and some of you know me.
> I went to an IE camp in June for two weeks. I was very unsure of myself at
> the time. I thought the first 5 days of the class was pretty bad. I did not
> say much because I felt like I had not studied hard enough to say so. I
> thought I would just re take the class and that would fix things. Well I
> also signed up for Narbiks class at the same time I signed up for IE. It
> looked like the winning combination at the time. I am currently in Narbiks
> class. Three days into this class I realized why people love his class so
> much. It seems like just before I get ready to ask a question he answers it.
> The lectures are the best lectures I have ever heard for Cisco. I can go on
> and on saying the same things everyone else has said because they are true.
> So please dont refiance everything you own(like me). If you want to learn
> the technologies this is the place to do it. I have never said anything
> before because I did not know what I was missing out on. I wont go into
> details about the IE class or Bag on them. I just dont think the first five
> days of the class were worth it. If you are going to spend your money buy
> something worth it. I took the 9 grand class because I thought shit it cost
> more so it has to be better than a 2 grand class. Boy was I wrong!! I am not
> saying the 12 days was worth less (just the first 5 days)but it was not
> worth the price. So if you are researching a bootcamp this is the one I
> suggest. I know I will get a lot of heat over this. I usually dont like
> confrontation. I felt I should say my experience. No one twisted my arm or
> bribed me. Others may disagree just my feelings. You can hate me ban me do
> whatever. This is just my opinion.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
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