From: Leo Leung (leo0430453@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 08 2008 - 13:32:17 ART
Steve,
Thanks for the tips. I am going to get the CDs to listen on the way
to work. Accent is one thing, and accurate understanding with speed
is another. A lots of time after I fully understood the technology
and read the question back, it is then clear what question asks,
hence repetition works for me well. Sometimes I went to a senior
facility nearby my home to talk, but it's not on a consistent basis,
now I found a good teacher, my son who speaks much better English and
we help each other that way. It's fun, isn't it?
Leo
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Steve Means <smeans@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> First of all, congrats on the pass, sounds like you deserve it.
>
> On the subject of improving your English, I have some input based on
> experience. My wife is Polish and had only been in the states a short time
> when we met. Her English has improved by leaps and bounds since then in the
> most simple way possible. We talk together. When she makes a grammatical
> mistake I correct her. Nicely of course. Does she still have an accent? Of
> course. But if you knew her when she came here vs. today you would be
> astonished.
>
> You might not have this luxury. But if you can, find a native speaker who can
> spend even a half an hour a day with you. Its important that they not be
> embarrassed about correcting you. Talk. You'll get better quick.
>
> Another tip from my own language learning. The pimsleur method materials are
> very good. They are really helping improve my Polish pronunciation and
> comprehension. They do have a series of English for XXX speakers which might
> help you out. Worth a look at least.
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> From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Mohammed Naviwala
> Sent: Tue 10/7/2008 1:34 PM
> To: Long Nguyen
> Cc: Fernando Carvalho; Leo Leung; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE journey raised me to become an accountable network engineer
> (CCIE# 22227)
>
>
>
> very well written....Indeed motivating......
>
> specially 'no excuse is acceptable'
>
> On 10/7/08, Long Nguyen <longoc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Amazing man, hopefully I will join the ranks myself one day. Its so far
>> away
>> it seems.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Fernando Carvalho <
>> fernando.cagica@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Congratulations, you deserve your number.
>> >
>> > Fernando
>> >
>> > Leo Leung schrieb:
>> >
>> > Dear GS members,
>> >>
>> >> I passed the lab last Wed. on Oct.1, 2008.
>> >>
>> >> Before I first sat R&S lab in 2005, I had 10 years voice experience
>> >> and got my CCNA/CCNP. I was surprised with the report shown "0%" in
>> >> many sections. I asked myself did I forget to save config? Yes, I
>> >> did save; but no, I totally underestimated the lab as I studied only
>> >> from Cisco websites without taking any vendors workbooks. Then I
>> >> realized I need to change my way of thinking to look for help; you see
>> >> CCIE journey began transforming me. I got IPexpert and ccbootcamp
>> >> workbooks and found myself pretty much relied on solution guide,
>> >> meaning I was unable to perform a lab section myself and the speed was
>> >> horrible. After a long while I decided to go to bootcamp at
>> >> netmasterclass.com in early 2007 and it proved me that I was the worst
>> >> one in the class. What happened? I exhausted all my savings, when I
>> >> discussed it with my wife that only solution was to take credit card
>> >> debt that she went for a minimum wage job to pay the interest. It was
>> >> sad soon she got serious sick and went through 2 major surgeries in
>> >> 2006 and followed by endless medical bills. My 7-year old son asked me
>> >> when his dream to Disneyland will become true, boy, I never have time
>> >> to bring him to local cinema even once. My heart broke as I saw his
>> >> tear in his eyes. At that particular moment an event occurred in my
>> >> journey. after a mock lab I happened to speak with Narbik over the
>> >> phone about my journey status. Immediately he sent me the whole OSPF
>> >> section material for free, offered his phone number for any questions,
>> >> but most importantly he told me that he believed my determination and
>> >> ability to accomplish this journey. I found as if he looked into my
>> >> eyes with the word of "you can do it". Since then I kept telling
>> >> myself nothing can stop me from moving forward. Then, I was quite
>> >> comfortable with his approach to complete each technology section in
>> >> its own scope before ever touching a full lab. He asked me to do
>> >> every section 4 times and make sure no question you are not aware of.
>> >> Man, I doubled that; I valued his books more than gold, no kidding.
>> >> Please, please I do not mean to devaluate any other vendor's
>> >> workbooks. It was my understanding level at early stage of the
>> >> journey did not come up to that height and different people have
>> >> different ways of learning that may be closer to one another kind of
>> >> workbook design. Another critical moment in my journey was in second
>> >> half of 2007 I found 2 study partners in the bay area, Jean-Marc
>> >> Mazzoni and Jay Jwalanaiah. We got together from netmeeting every
>> >> week to work primarily on InternetworkExpert labs and go over Jean's
>> >> very detailed notes that he worked so hard and shared with us so
>> >> selfishlessly. They sincerely pointed out that I have English
>> >> proficiency issue that needed to overcome and they made a lot of jokes
>> >> out of it, well that's one of many reasons I love CCIE program that
>> >> allows me to meet such great men that I otherwise no way to know, not
>> >> only that after they both passed the exam, they gave me their routers
>> >> and switches for free so that I was able to build a fully scaled lab
>> >> without compromise. You all know what value of such an available lab
>> >> for a candidate is.
>> >>
>> >> What I am tying to say is this,if you have guts to pursue this
>> >> journey, do not drop it! for it defeats your own purpose, even if you
>> >> do, you may eventually come back, because we are engineers by nature
>> >> and we like to complete things from A to Z, why wasting time? and
>> >> Cisco is also interested in seeing how you deal with failure (no
>> >> offend to 1st time pass). I have learned to convert complaint for
>> >> compliment, appreciated failure as identification of weak areas, and
>> >> taken pain on the journey as necessary cost to pass. As world needs
>> >> CCIEs and equivalents to keep its networks up, no excuse is
>> >> acceptable. I am now glad that we took that credit card debt, because
>> >> all the skillset learned along the journey, the creditability
>> >> established in work place, the confidentiality in oneself facing
>> >> assigned projects, and the opportunity upcoming to one's reach are
>> >> much, much more weighted than this debt, that too, would be soon
>> >> disappeared as well. On the other hand you can say me primitive, but
>> >> nothing makes me more happier than being able to support my family,
>> >> especially in economic downturn.
>> >>
>> >> For everyone on board, I say thank you mate. Hanging there, you'll be
>> >> CCIE one day; For all instructors including list owner I have deepest
>> >> respect for your dedication, willingness, patience and all that will
>> >> be forever our integrate part of the journey.
>> >>
>> >> Leo
>> >> 22227 (R&S)
>> >>
>> >> P.S
>> >> Input to improve my English proficiency is greatly appreciated.
>> >>
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