From: Rick Mur (rick@rickmur.nl)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2008 - 16:16:31 ART
Hi Paul,
Thanks for this explanation. Finally a calm and very understanding
message about this issue!
Rick
CCIE #21946
On 6 okt 2008, at 20:30, Paul Borghese wrote:
> Everyone is welcome to participate on the list; I simply ask the
> integrity
> of the list be respected.
>
> In July, Scott was asked to change one line in a 14 line signature,
> which
> had just recently been added. Throughout the years I have asked other
> vendors to do the same, and it is simply unfair to have one standard
> for
> Scott, and a second standard for everyone else. One line is a small,
> reasonable request. Others have done it without second thought. I
> have
> included background information at the bottom of this email
> detailing the
> request and why it was made.
>
> For three months now I have been receiving e-mails from other
> vendors asking
> why he is getting favorable treatment. This is a big issue. There
> are a
> number of superstars on the list. They post because it allows them to
> advertise themselves and their skills to the community at large. If
> there
> is a perception that one person over every other is receiving
> favorable
> treatment, we will loose every superstar on the list.
>
> What makes this list great is you get to hear numerous opinions on a
> subject
> and access to the best minds in the industry. There is no other
> website on
> the internet that gives you access to the talent we have at
> GroupStudy. I
> would like to keep it that way.
>
> It was only a matter of time before this issue was made public, which
> happened when an observant person called him out on it.
>
> Scott is more than welcome to stay, and I hope he does. So the issue
> may now
> be solved. I just wish it did not take over two months and such a
> public
> disclosure.
>
> If you are interested I will now give a little background on the
> issue and
> why the request was made.
>
> I started GroupStudy 10 years ago last month. A few days after its
> creation, the list was flooded with people trying to move members from
> GroupStudy to their own list. I thought, wow that seems quite
> rude. Kinda
> like going to a party and encouraging everyone to leave the party
> and join
> your party.
>
> Over the next few months it happened surprisingly often. I
> eventually asked
> someone who had a much bigger list then GroupStudy (at the time)
> what to do.
> The response was "Welcome to the mailing list business, this is only
> the
> beginning. You are going to need to learn how to filter, and don't
> even
> thing about going on vacation because it never stops". Boy was he
> right!
>
> Over the years I have seen everything you could imagine. A common
> problem
> was someone would create a list; then subscribe GroupStudy to the
> list thus
> making all postings on GroupStudy post to their list. The problem
> was, this
> created a loop and the entire thing would blow up! If you go back
> through
> the archives, you will see discussions of me fighting the loops.
> Thus I
> created more and more custom software to deal with these issues. If
> you
> ever hear me say the "circuit breakers" went off, it is because the
> software
> that is designed to prevent loops and spam messages.
>
> I came to the believe that posting messages on GroupStudy advertising
> competing discussion groups can only be damaging to GroupStudy, and
> started
> filtering those messages.
>
> A few years later, a very well known and respected vendor, ccbootcamp,
> started their own discussion group. They had a little creative
> banner ad
> showing a Pac-Man character eating the GroupStudy logo. They were
> the only
> vendor at the time and I did not want to loose their participation
> on the
> list. So I told the owner they were more then welcome to continue
> participating on the list, I simply request they do not advertise
> their
> pac-man eating list on my humble little list. The response was quite
> positive saying they understood and would find it distasteful to go on
> someone's list and do as such.
>
> To this day, if you write a private e-mail to Brad Ellis, you
> receive a
> response with a different signature then what he sends on
> GroupStudy. I
> imagine that is a pain, but I thank him for it.
>
> Thus the policy was set.
>
> Over the years other vendors started propping up, each with their own
> support site and discussion groups designed to be the next big
> GroupStudy
> killer and obtain names and addresses they can use for marketing.
> IP Expert
> creates a new one virtually every week :-). But they all understand
> it
> would be distasteful to advertise their list on GroupStudy and
> respectfully
> modify their footers when posting on GroupStudy.
>
> So in July, I asked Scott to give me the same courtesy. He was well
> aware
> of the request from his IP Expert days. If you go back and read his
> postings through July, August, and September you will see the
> response.
>
> Frankly I think the request is quite trivial and amounted to
> removing one
> line in a signature that was only recently added.
>
> I work hard on this list and ask for very little from the members.
> I simply
> ask my work not be abused.
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 1:53 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Scott Free?
>
> Nothing on the list from Mr Morris today. Has he been banned?
>
> Gary
>
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