From: Scott M Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Thu Oct 02 2008 - 18:01:22 ART
Hey Tomi,
Here's what I found in the Q&A of Cisco Certification Online Support:
"Summary: CCIE: Switching Cisco Partners
Q: I'm going to work for another Cisco Partner; can I switch my CCIE to my
new company?
A: Cisco limits the recruiting of CCIEs from one partner to another. Because
of their expert skills and experience, CCIEs are in demand among Cisco's
channel partners. To limit the adverse impact of losing a key staff member,
Cisco's Gold and Silver Channel Partner Program sets policy regarding hiring
CCIEs away from other Cisco Channel Partners. In general, the program rules
prevent a reseller who hires a CCIE away from another reseller, from using
that CCIE to qualify for Gold or Silver status for a period of 12 months.
More information can be found in the Gold and Silver Program Policy Document
in Appendix D, Section 4 "CCIE Policies" or by contacting Partner Support"
Then I found this in the Learning section:
"Because of their expert skills and experience, CCIEs are in demand among
Cisco's channel partners. To limit the adverse impact of losing a key staff
member, Cisco's Gold and Silver Channel Partner Program sets policy
regarding hiring CCIEs away from other Cisco Channel Partners. In general,
the program rules prevent a reseller who hires a CCIE away from another
reseller, from using that CCIE to qualify for Gold or Silver status for a
period of 12 months. More information can be found in the Gold and Silver
Program Policy Document
<http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/tools/cpapp/audit_doc.pdf> in
Appendix D, Section 4 "CCIE Policies" or by contacting Partner Support
<http://ciscopartner.custhelp.com/> ."
But finally, following the link above, we see:
"Gaining Partner
If a partner hires a CCIE, CCVP, or CCSP away from another Cisco certified
or specialized partner, Cisco will not count this individual toward
certification or specialization for the hiring partner for a period of 12
months from the termination date of the previous partner. This rule does not
apply if a Cisco certified or specialized partner terminated the CCIE, CCVP,
or CCSP or is willing to release their CCIE badge to be used. In this case,
Cisco will require documentation from the partner that terminated the CCIE,
CCVP, or CCSP or releases their CCIE, CCVP, or CCSP. If the CCIE, CCVP, or
CCSP worked for more than one certified or specialized partner within the
past 12 months, termination or release documentation will be required from
each previous company."
So the thing to do Tim is to follow the "Partner Support" link in that
second quote up there and establish an account there and then submit your
query. It does seem as though a paper trail has to follow your departure in
order for your "CCIE badge" to be released back into the wild.
Again, please share your experience with all of this once done.
Thanks,
Scott
From: Tomi Amao [mailto:tomiground@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:09 PM
To: Scott M Vermillion
Cc: ccie2be@nyc.rr.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: ccie association with a reseller
Tim
yea it's possible to dissociate ur number from a resseller and immediately
use it with another partner if the former reseller is willing to release ur
number. it's stated on cisco's website (in a pdf document under employer
information). but as scott said i guess open a case with the CCIE
certification support team.
they should be helpful
Tomi
CCIE #19627
> From: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
> To: ccie2be@nyc.rr.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: ccie association with a reseller
> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:02:19 -0600
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> I honestly don't think it's up to the reseller; I believe it's Cisco's
> policy that a follow-on partner can't pull your number in for a full year
> after your departure from the previous. At the very least, though, I
> suppose you'd want to be certain that the timer was ticking on that year.
> If I were you, I'd open a case with the CCIE certification support team.
> Even if they can't help, it seems reasonable that they would know who
could.
> Or if they didn't already know, find out and get back to you.
>
> Please post back to the list whatever your experience with this is. I
> haven't read policy for myself in quite some time now, so my knowledge
might
> be dated or outright wrong. But that's my recollection of how all this
> strings together...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim [mailto:ccie2be@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:58 PM
> To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: ccie association with a reseller
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have a CAM I can call. However, my written contract
> explicitly states that the reseller would release my number. So, I just
> want to confirm it but I don't know how.
>
> Thanks, Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott M Vermillion
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:43 PM
> To: 'Tim'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: ccie association with a reseller
>
> Do you have a local Cisco account manager that you're on good terms with?
> Regardless of whether or not they hire a replacement CCIE, as I understand
> policy, you are not normally allowed to associate to a new reseller for
one
> full year. This is designed to prevent or severely limit reseller
> cannibalism. I am aware of cases where a well-placed phone call was able
to
> overcome this obstacle. For example, I work for a microscopic channel
> partner that I personally own but considered working for a larger one
> following success in San Jose. My account manager assured me that he would
> be able to break my number free from my own company because there would be
> nobody to object. Certainly made sense to me!
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, though, that never actually came to
pass
> (still bumming around). But I'm near certain that I've at least heard of
it
> happening for others over the years where all parties concerned were
> amenable...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tim
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:30 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: ccie association with a reseller
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> My ccie # had been associated with a reseller. This reseller promised me
> that as soon as they found another ccie they would dis-associate my ccie
> number with their
>
>
>
> company.
>
>
>
> They hired a new ccie a couple months ago.
>
>
>
> How can I confirm that my number is no longer associated with this
company?
>
>
>
> I haven't heard anything from Cisco. Is there a way I can have Cisco
> officially confirm that my number is no longer associated with this
> reseller?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Tim
>
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