From: Gary Duncanson (garyduncanson@btinternet.com)
Date: Wed Oct 01 2008 - 13:21:06 ART
Heh. You mean it's all a scam?
We don't read the same pulp fiction but I predicted the downturn over three
years ago hence I don't have one of those silly watches.
Don't the schools you mention teach you 'there's a sucker born every minute'
while they make towers from paper cups in those hands-on seminar things that
are supposedly to teach synergy or whatever the latest 'you too can be a
millionaire' buzzword is?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; <swm@emanon.com>
Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>I was reading one story that all this is a Shamalyan-esque ending for the
> Wall Street executives, or those who don't follow M. Night, kind of like
> The ending of "The Usual Suspects" where it only makes complete sense once
> you look back at everything that was said and done.
>
> The bankers are "Verbal Klint" and the taxpayer/congress are "Agent Kujan"
>
> They PLANNED to write bad Mortgages for $800k to pizza delivery guys,
> securitize them into bonds, trade the bonds to their Biz School alumni at
> other banks/funds, create credit default swaps, insure those swaps, create
> more junk bonds out of those swaps, leverage the whole thing a few dozen
> times up, buy US treasuries, use the treasuries as collateral for more
> bonds, rinse, change the "L.P.'s" name from "capital management" to
> "advisors" to "Partners", a few times to bring in new institutional
> investors, rinse, wash, repeat, etc.-
>
> BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WOULD GET BAILED OUT WHEN IT ALL COLLAPSED!!!!
>
> This way THEY GET PAID TWICE! Once from the above antics, the second time
> when they fold the taxpayer/congress over the bed in the upstairs guest
> bedroom and sell all the junk paper they hold back to Uncle Sam!
>
> You didn't think Wharton/Tepper/Sloan/Stern/Duke business schools charged
> $70k a year tuition because they didn't teach you how to rip people off
> and
> not go to jail, did you Gary?
>
> Setup your auction alerts on Ebay... We may just get our second hand, half
> off "Platinum 5960P annual calendars chronographs" yet! This fun is just
> beginning!
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:45 AM
> To: swm@emanon.com
> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Re: OT - Banking
>
> Would it be possible if this bill doesn't get through Congress? I wonder
> if
> 700 billion for something like healthcare would generate so much effort.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; "'Joseph Brunner'"
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>
>
>> HA! While that would be politically interesting, I'm not entirely sure
>> there is enough power around the current administration to feasibly let
>> that
>> happen.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gary
>> Duncanson
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:13 AM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Re: OT - Banking
>>
>> Does this tome include some event occuring giving the US government
>> grounds
>> to declare martial law and cancel the forthcoming elections?
>>
>> At least that's what I hear some people saying.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> To: "'Luca Hall'" <lhall@setnine.com>
>> Cc: "'Pavel Bykov'" <slidersv@gmail.com>; <kmoorman@gmail.com>;
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:04 PM
>> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>>
>>
>>> Have you read the book "the creature from Jekyll island" ?
>>>
>>> We are beginning to see the last chapter play out... it couldn't come
>>> to soon. If you have read the book you would be excited and not
>>> surprised at all the way this is playing out!
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Luca Hall
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:58 AM
>>> To: Joseph Brunner
>>> Cc: 'Pavel Bykov'; kmoorman@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>>>
>>> i hope you don't really think this.
>>>
>>> treasury bonds are how we borrow money.
>>> a deficit is a bad thing.
>>> banknotes are worthless paper with no gold/silver to back them up.
>>>
>>>
>>> so from the above i am guessing your being sarcastic ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>> To: 'Pavel Bykov' <slidersv@gmail.com>, kmoorman@gmail.com
>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Sent: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Subject: RE: Re: OT - Banking
>>>
>>> That's absolutely ridiculous Pavel.
>>>
>>> The US is the world's largest exporter of Treasury Bonds. We are the
>>> world's leading producer of Deficits, and last year we outpaced the
>>> entire industrialized world in defense spending! You're also
>>> forgetting the US has the world's largest proven reserves of
>>> banknotes.
>>>
>>> How could such a BOOMING economy go into a depression?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Pavel Bykov
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:04 AM
>>> To: kmoorman@gmail.com
>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: Re: OT - Banking
>>>
>>> So all those cold war nuclear fallout shelters will have their purpose
>>> after all. But I really wouldn't give in to panic just yet. Besides,
>>> we can always just go live on a farm in rural area for a while. You
>>> know, take a brake from digitalism, get in shape, improve health,
>>> raise some children.
>>> It's all good. And it sure is better that standing in 10 mile long
>>> line in front of unemployment office.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM, <kmoorman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> from what i have been reading in some "Non controlled" investing
>>>> materials that the US is headed for another depression worst than the
>>>> 1930s in the next couple of years.. and with all thats happening with
>>>> the govt not letting these businesses suffer from their mistakes this
>>>> writer was right..
>>>>
>>>> but to answer you question.. depends on what you growing
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Self-Reliance_Handbook/Vegetable_Growing_
>>> Guide
>>>>
>>>> the readiness to be picked/used is from 30 to 90 days
>>>>
>>>> there are some great canning guides out there as well
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pickyourown.org/allaboutcanning.htm
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pavel Bykov
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