Re: OT - Miercom - Are they really unbiased?

From: Muhammad Nasim (muhammad.nasim@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2008 - 14:05:28 ART

Joe I am sure you can find latest Gartner reports by using GOOGLE for Free
so don't worry about 495 buks : )

2008/9/5 Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>

> A few years back we looked at their white papers on the Netscaler vs the
> Cisco load balancers. We also tested Foundary server/big irons on a demo.
>
> It wasn't even close; Netscaler had the best product by a mile, which was
> what Miercom said. So maybe that was just one time Miercom got it right;
> but
> I really read their reports pretty darn closely; including the tipping
> point
> vs cisco ips.
>
> I spent about 3 months of my life in 2004 all day with those load
> balancers,
> so I can attest to the accuracy of the report. We brought in our own test
> tools and I attended the Netscaler University, so I'm a bit biased to
> Netscaler, but the functionality was way ahead of its day.
>
> Some Miercom reports are just tests they did, and didn't not really put
> Cisco up against another vendor (like the CCME 6 test).
>
> One question I have is why Gartner wants you to pay $495 for each of their
> magic quadrant reports... Don't the vendor's pay to evaluate their
> products,
> or do they and Gartner just wants to eat from both ends of the plate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Radioactive Frog
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:09 PM
> To: Muhammad Nasim
> Cc: Dale Kling; CCIEin2006; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: OT - Miercom - Are they really unbiased?
>
> Gartner is somehow close and publishes true report.
> to test this, download any report and see where Cisco exists there..
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Muhammad Nasim
> <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > No one can trust Mericom as I stated below it seems to me that Cisco has
> > HEAVY shares in Mericom.
> > Please look into IDC or Gartner reports and most importantly as Dale
> > mentioned do your own tests.
> >
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> > 2008/9/5 Dale Kling <dalek77@gmail.com>
> >
> > > I work in a lab environment and we do our own tests based on the
> > > requirements of the project. I've been heavily involved in a multicast
> > > project for some time now and I Can tell you that most hardware I've
> > tested
> > > does not perform as advertised. Now what we have been able to do is go
> > > back
> > > to the vendor and tellthem our problem. They get the BU involved on
> the
> > > product line with the developers and provide a fix.
> > >
> > > IMO, I believe getting demo gear and testing it yourself is the best
> way,
> > > although I don't know if you can trust or not trust those Miercom
> > reports,
> > > as I've never used them so I probably didn't answer your question and
> > just
> > > made you read a long run-on sentence. :P
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:57 AM, CCIEin2006 <ciscocciein2006@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > I am in the process of selecting new hardware and starting reading
> all
> > > > these
> > > > Miercom performance reports Cisco has on their web site.
> > > > It seems Miercom gives glowing reviews on every Cisco product and
> > feature
> > > > and always seems to favor Cisco in comparison to other vendors.
> > Normally
> > > > when you read product evaluations from truly independent third
> parties
> > > > there are usually some negative comments even on top rated products.
> > The
> > > > Miercom reports do not have a single negative word in them!
> > > >
> > > > Which leaves me wondering - are they really unbiased? Can I trust
> their
> > > > findings?
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong, I love Cisco, I even based my whole career on
> them,
> > > but
> > > > I don't think every single one of their products beats the
> competition
> > in
> > > > every respect.
> > > >
> > > > What do you guys think?
> > > >
> > > >
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