From: Hobbs (deadheadblues@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 15 2008 - 00:31:32 ART
nope, no number yet. that's why I'm here. and i'll be trying as hard as I
can until I get it. and I won't take anything for granted. and I will always
consult multiple sources when in doubt. and i read the doccd everyday. my
favorite book is titled "Catalyst 3560 Switches, Rel. 12.2(44)SE, January
2008" and i have multiple vendor workbooks. and i lab EVERYTHING. and i take
notes and i review them. and when there's an unanswered post that piques my
curiosity, i'll try to find an answer. and when someone responds with a
incorrect answer or solution, i'll do my best to find the right one and post
it. and when there's something i just can't get a handle on, i'll search the
archives. and if I can't find it in the archives, i'll query the forum. and
if no on responds, i'll document it in a little notepad file called "things
i still need to research.txt". and i'll review those things every so often.
and i'll repeat the process until i am ready. and i may schedule my lab 6
months in advance, and i may not.
and when people like you try to crush the spirits of people you feel are
unworthy of the quest, i wonder what happened to you along the path that
made you that way
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> Nice one.
>
>
>
> It will hurt a lot more once you actually pass the lab.
>
>
>
> Or was your number on this last message in HTML #FFFFFF and I just missed
> it?
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>
> $^)
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>
> _____
>
> From: Hobbs [mailto:deadheadblues@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:16 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Felix Nkansah; kmoorman@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: which workbook are you using and why
>
>
>
> Hey Joe, I seem to remember you telling me that EEK was the only way to get
> multipoint interface to fail once the remote DLCI went down. Should I have
> taken your word for it?
>
> Don't worry, I'll make plenty of mistakes too and you can point them it.
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> That is probably the best answer or post on here in a long time Felix!
>
> Very very well said!
>
> Multiple workbooks! What's next? Removing the 30 day fail period,
> You can just go to rtp for a week and take the lab five times?
>
> ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Felix Nkansah
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 PM
> To: Hobbs
> Cc: kmoorman@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: which workbook are you using and why
>
> Hi Hobbs,
>
> First of all, using a vendor workbook or attending a vendor bootcamp is not
> a prerequisite to taking the lab or passing it. I know of some CCIEs who
> passed their labs through self-study and practice, and not through the use
> of any workbooks (Brian Dennis of IE is a typical example).
>
> One thing you need to understand is that even though we call it a LAB, your
> theory and understanding of networking concepts, technologies and their
> interworking is tested much more than it appears on the outside.
>
> You want to be a good network engineer when going for the lab (to pass it
> and also for your career). Most candidates go for the lab with 'holes' in
> their networking knowledge. Thanks the labs are good at exposing these
> holes.
>
> You could use a million workbooks from a million vendors, and if you still
> dont seal the holes in your networking knowledge, you would still not pass.
>
> Granted, vendor workbooks are supposed to help you do so. If you come to
> think of it, how many different ways could one be tested on frame relay?
> It's finite.
>
> So if you settle on a workbook from a vendor who teaches the technologies
> well and passes you through all the numerous scenarious of FR setups and
> configurations (in about 10+ labs) so that you fully master the concepts,
> do
> you think you've got to need a billion more workbooks before you can pass?
>
> As experiences show, the key to passing the lab is mastering the concepts
> and gaining the hands-on exposure. Any SINGLE good vendor could help you
> achieve that.
>
> Buy time to study and practice, rather than buying thousands of workbooks
> and doing little study. And don't think Reading is the same as Studying. Go
> figure!
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix Nkansah, CCIE
>
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