From: Antonie Henning - MWEB (AHenning@mweb.com)
Date: Wed Aug 06 2008 - 03:50:49 ART
There is not a big difference between a 4hour assessor that keeps you
occupied for 4hours and a real lab that takes 5hours to complete. IMHO
the assessors are indispensable. $400 gives you 2 assessors or 4 vendor
mock labs. I'd still go with the assessors and know every detail about
them and absorb as much info out of the pod as possible.
In the end it's a personal choice, but that is what I would do, if I had
to chose and knew what I know now.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Sequeira
Sent: 06 August 2008 06:10 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Assessor Lab
One of the reasons I never bothered trying a Cisco Assessor lab is the
fact that it is only 4 hours in length.
I know from experience that I am pretty good on the gear for that
duration.
It is a full 8-hour mock lab that I was interested in practicing. I
found it pretty challenging to stay sharp after the lunch break until I
actually practiced a bunch of full labs for that duration.
In summary, a 4 hour mock lab was just not for me. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:47 PM
To: 'Bill Eyer'; 'Brad Ellis'
Cc: 'cciestudy'; 'Felix Nkansah'; 'Jonny English'; 'GS CCIE-Lab'
Subject: RE: Cisco Assessor Lab
You'll get different things at different places... But in the end, all
are
good if they serve a purpose.
That purpose is to let you take a lab, suffer from some time pressures
and
get a grade/feedback at the end hopefully providing you with a valuable
tool
that tells you what last minute things to look at before the $1,400
version
comes!
The nice thing about the vendors is that our concentration is to make
high-quality labs and testing results. We don't need to be politically
correct or nice to anyone. :) Honesty is much better.
The nice thing about the Cisco Assessor is that it's written by some of
the
same people who write the real labs, so you'll get a flavor for how they
may
ask a question. The results you get aren't necessarily as revealing or
helpful as the different vendors' labs are.
I have gone through one of the Assessor labs. And I'll leave it as
"interesting". Now, MY perspective is of course completely different
than
most people's though! So don't view "interesting" as a bad thing! I
think
from a candidate's perspective the insight to the wording can be very
revealing.
I've gone throuh some of the vendor labs as well. Those were more
challenging, and IMHO more valuable as a learning experience.
So if you have the budget, I'd recommend both. If you don't have the
budget.... Well... Ummm... I guess it depends on how comfortable
you
feel with technologies and whether you want honest evaluations or some
insight at the wording. :) it's a Catch-22 definitely!
HTH,
Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Bill
Eyer
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:41 PM
To: Brad Ellis
Cc: cciestudy; Felix Nkansah; Jonny English; GS CCIE-Lab
Subject: Re: Cisco Assessor Lab
All,
Can anyone who has done the CCIE assessor and vendor graded labs and
comment
on the relative merits of each of them for assessing your readiness to
take
the test. The CCIE assessor is a lot cheaper than the real lab, of
course,
but a lot more expensive than the vendors graded labs.
Bill
Brad Ellis wrote:
> No, the Assessor labs and ASET training labs are maintained by two
> different teams at Cisco. (In other words, the labs should be
> different). I would think the assessor labs would be better. The last
> time I saw the ASET labs they seemed a little dated.
>
> thanks,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of cciestudy
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:57 AM
> To: 'Felix Nkansah'; 'Jonny English'
> Cc: 'GS CCIE-Lab'
> Subject: RE: Cisco Assessor Lab
>
> Is the Assessor lab purchased from the Cisco web site the same as the
> ASET labs? Since being employed by a partner, I have access to ASET
> training labs and find it to be very good material. It also uses the
> dreaded "autoverify". I don't expect anyone to violate the NDA, just
> wondering if it is the same thing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Felix Nkansah
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:43 PM
> To: Jonny English
> Cc: GS CCIE-Lab
> Subject: Re: Cisco Assessor Lab
>
> John,
>
> You read it of the computer.
>
> You could capture the screen shots though. However, as far as I
> remember, the Assessor labs (just like the ASET labs for channel SEs)
> is covered by the NDA.
>
> The labs are quite difficult if you ask me (as your final results may
> show), but it helps you understand how AutoVerify does her grading.
> You sure would learn a lot from it. Who knows, Cisco proctors use this
> very tool for the 'automated tool' part of their grading.
>
> But as you would also find with her style of grading, AutoVerify is
> not human. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix
>
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