From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Sat Aug 02 2008 - 14:24:37 ART
Very few smaller consulting firms (under 500 people) get those rates...
Rik enlightened us with numbers for GE medical desktop guys coming in at
$5000 for a day to fix a pc hooked up to an mri machine, or something...
I have seen Sarbanes Oxley auditors from EY get $600/hr (they were fresh out
of school 22 year olds probably making $70k salaries).
It's all relative man. I worked for a guy that makes $3M a day. How's that
for "making a living".
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Kling
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:07 PM
To: Luan Nguyen
Cc: Joseph Brunner; Paul Dardinski; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Luan, that's it! IT companies make a killing.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Luan Nguyen <luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com>wrote:
> http://www.saic.com/contractcenter/gsa-it/laborrates-onsite-it.html#na
>
> Paul: If you guys need pepople, please let me know, I am your neighbor by
> the way :)
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Dale Kling <dalek77@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll have to find the link, but SAIC once publicized their rates they
>> charge
>> for their positions. Senior Architect was at a rate of $300/hour. I
>> honestly think running your own company is the way I'm learning nowadays,
>> but there is definitely still good money in W2 or consulting. 8(a), SDB,
>> and disabled vet statuses surely would help one grow a business quickly.
>> Lots of money in the government.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I'll leave it at this...
>> >
>> > A recruiter this week told me they could not get me more than $120,000
>> at a
>> > law firm. This law firm has over 1000 partners and rents office space
at
>> > the
>> > most exclusive office building in NYC if not North America. The rent is
>> > around $150/sq foot per year (its famous and the figure been in the
>> > newspaper).
>> >
>> > The want me to the lead Cisco Architect, work with MPLS (I assume they
>> > meant
>> > vrf-lite), be the man, develop internal tools, procedures, and oh, yea,
>> > eventually manage the group. Pretty much every job offer is paying
>> around
>> > this much...
>> >
>> > Nevermind, I made $125,000/yr quite a while back as a CCNP...
>> >
>> > I know down in DC CCIE's get TS/"Majestic 12" clearance and bill
>> themselves
>> > out to John Q. Taxpayer (one CCIE this week told me a bigger number
from
>> DC
>> > than I have ever heard per hour for a CCIE), but for the rest of us,
its
>> > learn something new, or continue to accept degrading living standards
AS
>> A
>> > CCIE
>> >
>> > -Joe
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:05 PM
>> > To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>> >
>> > Well, to each their own I guess. Here in the DC area, $140k is indeed
>> > considered a pretty nice income. Maybe not investment banker grade, but
>> > still....
>> >
>> > As to $200k not being enough and being poverty level...don't know what
>> to
>> > say to that. Indeed, if that isn't enough money to support a family
>> > decently
>> > well then really I don't know what to say. Certainly even in the
>> overpriced
>> > DC area that is considered pretty reasonable for sure.
>> >
>> > Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>> >
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:01 PM
>> > To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>> >
>> > I don't think $140,000 a year is that much money... which is more than
>> most
>> > CCIE's make.....
>> >
>> > I was commenting on the fact that the number is over 17,000 now
>> > worldwide...
>> >
>> > Following supply/demand, supply keeps a climbing, while demand keeps a
>> > dropping. Not a very good position to be in.
>> >
>> > I think the demand is hot if you are willing to work for $120,000 or
>> less
>> > (not a very good living anymore friend). I'll say it again, I know a
lot
>> of
>> > people in I.T. (all areas) and BOTH husband and wife have to work their
>> ASS
>> > off each around $100k plus just to pay their mortgage, debt, taxes,
etc.
>> > And don't have a pot to pee in left over...
>> >
>> > General Physicians must make a lot more around me, than down there...
>> > :)
>> >
>> > -Joe
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:52 PM
>> > To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>> >
>> > Not so sure about your "highly valuable" assessment there Joe....most
of
>> > the ccie's I know make what general physicians make a year, which I
>> > don't really consider too shabby for not needing 10 years of school and
>> > $100k minimum in tuition...just my $0.02.
>> >
>> > Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:50 PM
>> > To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>> >
>> > I saw that... there are still about 4,000 too many in north america for
>> > it
>> > to be a "highly valuable" anymore (highly valuable = pays good)
>> >
>> > I can't wait 'til I finish security/sp and then I can go for EXCHANGE
>> > RANGER... Now that is quite rare and valuable... ;) Maybe Oracle Master
>> > DBA
>> > after that!
>> >
>> > -Joe
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Paul
>> > Dardinski
>> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:44 PM
>> > To: Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>> >
>> > More CCIE's in Asia then in all of North America, interesting.
>> >
>> > Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Antonio Soares
>> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM
>> > To: 'Cisco certification'
>> > Subject: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>> >
>> > Hello group,
>> >
>> > We have a new update to the CCIE Worldwide Statistics page:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.htm
>> > l
>> >
>> > See here the progress since January 2006:
>> >
>> > http://pwp.netcabo.pt/amsoares/wwccies/wwccies.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> > amsoares@netcabo.pt
>> >
>> >
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