From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Fri Aug 01 2008 - 22:13:17 ART
I'll leave it at this...
A recruiter this week told me they could not get me more than $120,000 at a
law firm. This law firm has over 1000 partners and rents office space at the
most exclusive office building in NYC if not North America. The rent is
around $150/sq foot per year (its famous and the figure been in the
newspaper).
The want me to the lead Cisco Architect, work with MPLS (I assume they meant
vrf-lite), be the man, develop internal tools, procedures, and oh, yea,
eventually manage the group. Pretty much every job offer is paying around
this much...
Nevermind, I made $125,000/yr quite a while back as a CCNP...
I know down in DC CCIE's get TS/"Majestic 12" clearance and bill themselves
out to John Q. Taxpayer (one CCIE this week told me a bigger number from DC
than I have ever heard per hour for a CCIE), but for the rest of us, its
learn something new, or continue to accept degrading living standards AS A
CCIE
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:05 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Well, to each their own I guess. Here in the DC area, $140k is indeed
considered a pretty nice income. Maybe not investment banker grade, but
still....
As to $200k not being enough and being poverty level...don't know what to
say to that. Indeed, if that isn't enough money to support a family decently
well then really I don't know what to say. Certainly even in the overpriced
DC area that is considered pretty reasonable for sure.
Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:01 PM
To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
I don't think $140,000 a year is that much money... which is more than most
CCIE's make.....
I was commenting on the fact that the number is over 17,000 now worldwide...
Following supply/demand, supply keeps a climbing, while demand keeps a
dropping. Not a very good position to be in.
I think the demand is hot if you are willing to work for $120,000 or less
(not a very good living anymore friend). I'll say it again, I know a lot of
people in I.T. (all areas) and BOTH husband and wife have to work their ASS
off each around $100k plus just to pay their mortgage, debt, taxes, etc.
And don't have a pot to pee in left over...
General Physicians must make a lot more around me, than down there...
:)
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:52 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Not so sure about your "highly valuable" assessment there Joe....most of
the ccie's I know make what general physicians make a year, which I
don't really consider too shabby for not needing 10 years of school and
$100k minimum in tuition...just my $0.02.
Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:50 PM
To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
I saw that... there are still about 4,000 too many in north america for
it
to be a "highly valuable" anymore (highly valuable = pays good)
I can't wait 'til I finish security/sp and then I can go for EXCHANGE
RANGER... Now that is quite rare and valuable... ;) Maybe Oracle Master
DBA
after that!
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
Dardinski
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:44 PM
To: Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
More CCIE's in Asia then in all of North America, interesting.
Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Antonio Soares
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM
To: 'Cisco certification'
Subject: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Hello group,
We have a new update to the CCIE Worldwide Statistics page:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.htm
l
See here the progress since January 2006:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/amsoares/wwccies/wwccies.htm
Regards,
Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
amsoares@netcabo.pt
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