From: Haloween Boy (ciscob20@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 29 2008 - 04:17:02 ART
Joe,
I am not envy on anyone !! Even here people buy the things you are talking
about. Lets take this offline from the groupstudy. :)
Thanks,
H B
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> >You must be aware that Indian Salaries are peanuts compared to
> >US/UK/Australia etc and saving a huge amount for training & studies take a
> >major chunk out of it.
>
>
> Sorry to keep this thread on life support but a wise Russian barber (a
> millionaire "cash only" type) told me "it doesn't matter how much you make
> only how much you save".
>
> Living in NYC is great because I get to hear all world cultures weigh in on
> what THEY think of they way we live. I get to go to Turkey, Japan, Russia,
> India, Venezuela, Nigeria, China, Taiwan, all without leaving my CCNP
> classroom.
>
> If I'm American who makes $200,000 a year, it's already spent long before
> payday on kid's activities, wife's knick knacks, mortgage payment, home
> owner's insurance, flood insurance, car insurance, gas, taxes, schooling...
>
> Why do you think they pay us so much $$$? Because they need to make sure at
> least at some level we have money to spend back on their time warner home
> HD
> home cable, Wii Fit, PS-3 Madden 2009 all-star edition...
>
> Americans have been turned into voracious consumers of useless junk; If
> we're not spending money we don't have on stuff we don't need, were not
> happy! We all have time to wait in line for movies on opening night, a new
> product going on sale at the apple store to have it first and impress our
> friends- but if its have a quiet moment to talk to god or spend time with
> our families, nope, no time for that!
>
> My friend is from India. He is a very good engineer. He wants no part of
> this, and is going back home when his H-1B expires. Surprised?
>
> Don't envy us. Pity all of us.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Haloween Boy
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:29 AM
> To: Ramya S
> Cc: Bill Eyer; ccievoice1; Roman Rodichev; Joseph Brunner; John Scott;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; cisco@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
>
> Hi Ramya,
>
>
> I guess you got me wrong. I neither pointed to Netmetric nor to IPExpert
> or
> Internetwork Expert. I just posted the review of Top Gun so that people
> over
> here should not go there even by mistake and waste their hard earned money.
>
> You must be aware that Indian Salaries are peanuts compared to
> US/UK/Australia etc and saving a huge amount for training & studies take a
> major chunk out of it.
>
> Thats all from my side.
>
> Regards,
> H B
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Ramya S <ramya_1975@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Scott,
> >
> >
> >
> > In group study there are lots of post about success stories related to
> > vendors.....Narbik,IPexpert, internetworkexpert, netmetricsolutions,
> > ccbootcamp...etc
> >
> > Why dont you verify all the postings if they are valid. From all the
> > discussions so far its clearly known that Anderson has not done such a
> > thing as what you think. His student has posted out of happiness as he as
> > passed. So why do you want to make up nonsense stories against genuine
> > people. The ip address theory is so imaginative and false.
> >
> > What is the proof that what you say is really true? You seem to be in a
> > neurosis.
> >
> > Are you really John Scott. Can you prove that? You are so jobless to
> > compare ipaddress and make false statements. Do you fight a lot with your
> > girlfriend?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph
> > Burner,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you mean the IE or Ipexpert are the only 2 reputable company and not
> > others? Don't waste your time by listening to false stories. In one case
> > what if it was false marketing. What will you do about it? Will you go to
> > the cisco and complain or will you go to the court or police station and
> > complain?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Halowene Boy,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes you're right about TOP GUN. They have done a lot of nasty things and
> > people don't go there now.
> >
> > But one thing to note when you said "A very similar institute is Top
> Gun".
> > The fact is Netmetrics is not similar to topgun. Don't compare sky and
> > earth. I have studies there at netmetrics and they are excellent. That's
> the
> > reason IPEXPERT is with netmetrics
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:10:20 +0530
> > > From: ciscob20@gmail.com
> > > To: beyer@optonline.net
> > > Subject: Re: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > CC: ccievoice1@gmail.com; roman@iementor.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com;
> > johnscottgs@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > cisco@groupstudy.com
> >
> > >
> > > A very similar institute is Top Gun in India that claims a lot but has
> > > nothing to offer. The instructor is fraud, the owner is fake & their
> rack
> > > sucks with outdated devices.
> > >
> > > Many of the students are softly robbed by it and their hard earned
> money
> > > gets wasted. They too claim lots of CCIE while giving advertisement in
> > > newspaper etc as they are best. But, reality is they are the best
> > cheaters
> > > in India.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > H B
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Bill Eyer <beyer@optonline.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can't agree. If you are going to buy any product, even a book from
> > > > Amazon, don't you read the reviews? I do. I don't make my decisions
> > based
> > > > on just one review because it could be from the author or someone
> close
> > to
> > > > them. Shouldn't an expensive item like a bootcamp get reviewed. So
> what
> > if
> > > > a few vendors may "stuff the ballot box". I think most people see
> > through
> > > > them in the end. Many of us are interested in the reviews of classes,
> > but
> > > > that doesn't mean we don't think for ourselves when we make the final
> > > > choice.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ccievoice1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> So what is the *morale of the story*? Never ask any advice for
> > bootcamp if
> > > >> possible. And, only stick to technical question related to CCIE
> study
> > :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Bill Eyer <beyer@optonline.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> All,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I think it's great that so many trainers participate on Groupstudy.
> > > >>> Naturally they all think they do a great job. What would we expect
> > them
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> say "our company is lousy"? I personally appreciate it when someone
> > > >>> reports
> > > >>> that a particular product is useful to them in helping to
> understand
> > the
> > > >>> technologies. Maybe once in a while they are a bit self promoting,
> > but
> > > >>> does
> > > >>> that really hurt? Lot's of them provide real value in real
> > > >>> explainations.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bill
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Roman Rodichev wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Sure they don't :)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You guys are mean, maybe he's really good, let him advertise...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Roman Rodichev
> > > >>>> 5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
> > > >>>> Instructor, Content Developer. ieMentor Corporation
> > > >>>> http://www.iementor.com
> > > >>>> Y!M: roman7927
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > >>>> Joseph Brunner
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:12 PM
> > > >>>> To: 'John Scott'; ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
> ;
> > > >>>> cisco@groupstudy.com
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> John,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I agree with you. If there is false promotion going on we should
> > hear
> > > >>>> about
> > > >>>> it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> (Notice its never reputable companies like IE or IPEXPERT that do
> > it)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have a low tolerance for cheating, and if two CCIE's got the
> same
> > IP
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>> DHCP, or live close enough to each other than electrons jumped
> > between
> > > >>>> their
> > > >>>> PC's nic cards, well hell, as a amateur physicist I would like to
> > KNOW
> > > >>>> ABOUT
> > > >>>> IT!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> LOL
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > >>>> John
> > > >>>> Scott
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:07 PM
> > > >>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > > >>>> cisco@groupstudy.com
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ccievoice1 [ccievoice1@gmail.com] or whomever you are,
> > > >>>> I am sorry to be a member in a group including people like you and
> > like
> > > >>>> Triple cheater.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> With all what we hear about nowadays with exam proxy takers, who
> > knows
> > > >>>> probably this account is another cheating account to complete the
> > game.
> > > >>>> You
> > > >>>> know that he can do this account in INDIA where his company is
> > located
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>> few hours.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyway, I will let my girl friend promote my CCIE classes as she
> > believe
> > > >>>> that I am a great BSer/cheater as well but this time I will make
> > sure to
> > > >>>> let
> > > >>>> her change IP addresses to make sure that no body can catch us
> > > >>>> "cheating".
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sorry for all group members to waste your time but I believe that
> > you
> > > >>>> have
> > > >>>> to know about those cheaters.
> > > >>>> This is my last message in this subject.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > >>>> ccievoice1
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:10 AM
> > > >>>> To: Jose A. Arnau
> > > >>>> Cc: Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> John Scott,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please don't hesitate to say "sorry" for doing doing accusation
> ...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > >>>> John
> > > >>>> Scott
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:23 AM
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> THIS IS BS
> > > >>>> ANDRI, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CHEAT PEOPLE WITH FALSIFIIED MAILS TO
> GET
> > ONE
> > > >>>> OR
> > > >>>> TWO STUDENTS INTO YOUR CLASSES.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> GS members,
> > > >>>> Here is a prove that Andri had sent falsified messages to cheat
> > group
> > > >>>> members from the same IP address that is located in his home town
> > > >>>> "Valencia,
> > > >>>> Spain"
> > > >>>> First message is from Andri mail account on 28th June 2008 coming
> > from
> > > >>>> his
> > > >>>> IP address 81.203.142.172
> > > >>>> X-Originating-IP: [81.203.142.172]
> > > >>>> X-Originating-Email: [mota_anderson@hotmail.com]
> > > >>>> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS179E58F4B8480B924F733899D0@phx.gbl>
> > > >>>> From: "Anderson Alves" <mota_anderson@hotmail.com>
> > > >>>> To: <2008ccie@live.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>>> References: <sympa.1214676148.27177.979@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: ip verify unicast
> > > >>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:22:51 +0200
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This message is from the falsified mail account that ANDRI had
> used
> > to
> > > >>>> cheat
> > > >>>> you from the same IP address 81.203.142.172
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> X-Originating-IP: [81.203.142.172]
> > > >>>> From: "Jose A. Arnau" <jaral18@hotmail.com>
> > > >>>> To: Adam Elghafri <ccie.adam@gmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:40:41 +0000
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Actually all of you can find that out because Mr. triple CCIE does
> > not
> > > >>>> know
> > > >>>> how to hid his $$it.
> > > >>>> I believe PAUL had suspended Narbik for doing that before so I
> > wonder
> > > >>>> what
> > > >>>> he should do with Mr. Alves now.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Good Luck CHEATERS..
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > >>>> Jose
> > > >>>> A. Arnau
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:41 AM
> > > >>>> To: Adam Elghafri; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Adam,
> > > >>>> I took his bootcamp for R/S and I really liked his teaching
> skills,
> > by
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> time I took the exam I thought I didn't have that much to learn
> and
> > he
> > > >>>> proved
> > > >>>> me I was wrong, I'm going for the R/S next month and I hope to
> pass
> > at
> > > >>>> first
> > > >>>> like he did.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ---------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Jose A. Arnau
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:05:13 -0700
> > > >>>>> From: ccie.adam@gmail.com
> > > >>>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >>>>> Subject: anyone had a bootcamp with Anderson Alves (Andri)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I am planning to attend his bootcamp next month in Bangalore
> > > >>>>> any one to share his/her experience?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
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