From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2008 - 00:07:29 ART
Having to take the lab every 2-4 years would make CCIEs a lot more scarce,
and valuable. Count me in!
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
> Narbik,
>
> About 100,000 Chrysler Mechanics are about to start asking themselves how
> much longer they will be needed after Chrysler finally shuts down...
>
> While I'm sure the ISP-Dial CCIE had its place in 1997 and was a genuine
> lofty pursuit, perhaps its time they took the Service Provider track?
>
> You need to stay fresh, current, engaged, and above all committed to be a
> professional.
>
> I don't think taking a hands on lab perhaps every 4 if not 2 years is too
> much to ask.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:48 PM
> To: Luan M Nguyen
> Cc: Ahsan Mohiuddin; Anthony Sequeira; Roman Rodichev; Michael Jones; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
> If they (Cisco) started testing through the lab exam, what and how will
> ISP-Dial CCIEs take their lab exam???????
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Luan M Nguyen <luan@t3technology.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 1000 pass on 4th try vs 1000 pass on 1st try = $4 million!!!
> > At the time where lots of companies cut cost by giving cheap coffee or
> none
> > at all, that should be a motivation to make the exam harder.
> > Exam harder also means lots more business for teaching companies....
> >
> > -Luan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ahsan Mohiuddin
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:27 PM
> > To: Anthony Sequeira
> > Cc: Roman Rodichev; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> > your point about copyrights, if thats the case then Cisco should create a
> > better legal cover for its certification exams.. for example, i believe
> > anyone who attempts to cheat on a lawyers' bar exam can be prosecuted by
> > law. we know that many technology companies try to promote their stuff
> thru
> > certification programs and therefor such programs may be brandished as
> just
> > being part of their marketing strategies. But cisco's programs,
> especially
> > ccie, is an industry standard, so cisco should work to get a better legal
> > cover for protecting the ccie program
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, I sure hope this announcement is not a bunch of hot air.
> > >
> > > You could have purchased the answers, and then you could certainly mock
> > > not knowing the answers up front as you take the test.
> > >
> > > I agree with Joe B. on this one. Until there is something in place that
> > > makes the written exam less readily available, to have a written be the
> > > re-cert does seem to damage the program a bit.
> > >
> > > Another interesting topic to me in this arena is the age old question
> of
> > > why a very well known piracy company can continue to do
> business...being
> > > pretty ignorant to legal matters, I have always assumed one of the
> > > following:
> > >
> > > a) The company is located on foreign soil.
> > > b) The company has changed a few words in the questions to avoid a
> > > copyright infringement. I read once that the only real ground Cisco has
> > > to prosecute on is copyright infringement.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Roman Rodichev
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:45 PM
> > > To: Anthony Sequeira; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> > > Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
> > >
> > > What is stopping someone who used pass4sure and knows all the answers,
> > > from answering a few questions wrong and sitting there for two hours
> > > instead of 11 minutes? I don't get it. Forensics?!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Roman Rodichev
> > > 5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
> > > Instructor, Content Developer. ieMentor Corporation
> > > http://www.iementor.com
> > > Y!M: roman7927
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com>
> > > To: "Michael Jones" <majonestx@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: 7/24/08 5:08 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
> > >
> > > Finally, Cisco will invalidate a passing score if the candidate
> > > completed the exam with a score of 980 and it took them 11 minutes.
> > >
> > > Even for a CCIE taking the CCNA - that is just not possible unless you
> > > have purchased the correct answers.
> > >
> > > In addition to analyzing the time spent on questions, I wonder what
> > > other "forensic" techniques will be used?
> > >
> > > One sad note for me on this topic, however. I took the new BCMSN exam
> > > last week and was amazed at how incredibly difficult it was. That is a
> > > good thing of course, ensuring the CCNP knows his stuff. But the
> problem
> > > was that several of the questions were OUT OF SCOPE for the Cisco
> > > Official Course. It looked like they had borrowed questions from other
> > > courses! Cisco needs to be more careful about this in my opinion. It
> > > would be easy for someone to justify cheating if they spend a bunch of
> > > money for a course that does not prepare them for the exam.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Michael Jones
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM
> > > To: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Good job CISCO!!!!
> > >
> > >
> http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/telecom/cisco-pearso
> > > n-vue-combat-exam-fraud-global-test-delivery-enhancements/-1099877822
> > >
> > > Tuesday, July 22, 2008 Cisco and Pearson VUE Combat Exam Fraud With
> > > Global
> > > Test Delivery Enhancements
> > >
> > > Jul 22, 2008 (Hugin via COMTEX) ----New Security Measures Underscore
> > > Commitment to Protect Certification Integrity and Value
> > >
> > > SAN JOSE, CA and BLOOMINGTON, MN--(Marketwire - July 22, 2008) - Cisco
> > > (NASDAQ: CSCO: 21.76, -0.41, -1.84%) and its global testing provider,
> > > Pearson VUE, a business of Pearson, today announced a series of
> security
> > > enhancements that will reinforce the integrity and value of the Cisco
> > > certification portfolio.
> > >
> > > "Cisco certifications are one of the most highly valued credentials
> > > available to information technology (IT: 22.37, +0.24, +1.08%)
> > > professionals, and protecting that reputation is paramount," said Erik
> > > Ullanderson, manager of global certifications for Learning@Cisco."Proxy
> > > testing and other forms of cheating can diminish the value of
> > > certifications
> > > for individuals and the organizations that employ them. Pearson VUE and
> > > Cisco are leading the way in aggressively combating this industry wide
> > > issue
> > > through the latest advancements in exam development and delivery."
> > >
> > > The advanced security enhancements include the use of digital
> > > photographs
> > > for candidate-identity verification and forensic analysis of testing
> > > data.
> > > The new measures, to be implemented beginning on Aug. 1, will include:
> > >
> > > -- Photo on Score Report and Web -- On completion of a certification
> > > exam at
> > > the test center, candidates will receive preliminary score reports
> > > imprinted
> > > with their photos and unique authentication codes. The authentication
> > > code
> > > can be used to access a candidate's official score online at Pearson
> > > VUE's
> > > website www.pearsonvue.com/authenticate usually within 72 hours of the
> > > examination. The online score report will also display the candidate's
> > > photo. Candidates may share access to their online records with
> > > employers or
> > > other third parties.
> > >
> > > -- Forensic Analysis -- Exam results and other testing data will be
> > > continuously analyzed by forensic software to detect aberrant testing
> > > behavior and to flag suspect exams for further investigation. When
> > > problems
> > > are identified with the validity of a test result, the candidate's
> score
> > > will be invalidated. Depending on the exact issue with the flagged
> exam,
> > > further consequences may range from having to retake the exam to the
> > > imposition of a one-year or lifetime testing ban.
> > >
> > > -- Preliminary Score Report -- All paper score reports will be
> > > preliminary,
> > > pending the results of forensic analysis, until official exam scores
> are
> > > posted to the Web within 72 hours of exam completion. Once the exam
> > > scores
> > > are official, candidates may use the authentication codes on their
> score
> > > reports to access the Pearson VUE website for score and photo
> > > verification.
> > >
> > > "We looked at alternatives for addressing the issue of proxy testing,
> > > the
> > > two primary victims of which are employers and those members of the
> > > certification community who chose training, hard work and experience as
> > > their path to certification," explained Randall Trask, vice president
> of
> > > market development for Pearson VUE. "We determined that adding photos
> to
> > > score reports and providing employers with the ability to authenticate
> > > both
> > > the exam score and the person achieving it will provide a direct
> benefit
> > > to
> > > all."
> > >
> > > These new exam security measures are part of Cisco's overall strategy
> to
> > > protect the value and integrity of its certifications. Other measures
> > > include simulation-based testing, dynamically generated questions and
> > > emulations to help ensure that Cisco certified networking professionals
> > > continue to have the knowledge, skills and credentials to perform well
> > > on
> > > the job.
> > >
> > > About Pearson VUE
> > >
> > > Pearson VUE (www.pearsonvue.com) is the global leader in electronic
> > > testing
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