From: Ahsan Mohiuddin (ahsan.mohiuddin@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 2008 - 21:52:54 ART
for a company that generates over USD 40 Billion in revenues each year, USD
4 mil sounds like vacation allowance of a well-placed executive :-)
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Luan M Nguyen <luan@t3technology.com>
wrote:
> 1000 pass on 4th try vs 1000 pass on 1st try = $4 million!!!
> At the time where lots of companies cut cost by giving cheap coffee or none
> at all, that should be a motivation to make the exam harder.
> Exam harder also means lots more business for teaching companies....
>
> -Luan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Ahsan Mohiuddin
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:27 PM
> To: Anthony Sequeira
> Cc: Roman Rodichev; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
> your point about copyrights, if thats the case then Cisco should create a
> better legal cover for its certification exams.. for example, i believe
> anyone who attempts to cheat on a lawyers' bar exam can be prosecuted by
> law. we know that many technology companies try to promote their stuff thru
> certification programs and therefor such programs may be brandished as just
> being part of their marketing strategies. But cisco's programs, especially
> ccie, is an industry standard, so cisco should work to get a better legal
> cover for protecting the ccie program
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I sure hope this announcement is not a bunch of hot air.
> >
> > You could have purchased the answers, and then you could certainly mock
> > not knowing the answers up front as you take the test.
> >
> > I agree with Joe B. on this one. Until there is something in place that
> > makes the written exam less readily available, to have a written be the
> > re-cert does seem to damage the program a bit.
> >
> > Another interesting topic to me in this arena is the age old question of
> > why a very well known piracy company can continue to do business...being
> > pretty ignorant to legal matters, I have always assumed one of the
> > following:
> >
> > a) The company is located on foreign soil.
> > b) The company has changed a few words in the questions to avoid a
> > copyright infringement. I read once that the only real ground Cisco has
> > to prosecute on is copyright infringement.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Roman Rodichev
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:45 PM
> > To: Anthony Sequeira; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> > Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> > What is stopping someone who used pass4sure and knows all the answers,
> > from answering a few questions wrong and sitting there for two hours
> > instead of 11 minutes? I don't get it. Forensics?!!
> >
> >
> > Roman Rodichev
> > 5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
> > Instructor, Content Developer. ieMentor Corporation
> > http://www.iementor.com
> > Y!M: roman7927
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com>
> > To: "Michael Jones" <majonestx@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: 7/24/08 5:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> > Finally, Cisco will invalidate a passing score if the candidate
> > completed the exam with a score of 980 and it took them 11 minutes.
> >
> > Even for a CCIE taking the CCNA - that is just not possible unless you
> > have purchased the correct answers.
> >
> > In addition to analyzing the time spent on questions, I wonder what
> > other "forensic" techniques will be used?
> >
> > One sad note for me on this topic, however. I took the new BCMSN exam
> > last week and was amazed at how incredibly difficult it was. That is a
> > good thing of course, ensuring the CCNP knows his stuff. But the problem
> > was that several of the questions were OUT OF SCOPE for the Cisco
> > Official Course. It looked like they had borrowed questions from other
> > courses! Cisco needs to be more careful about this in my opinion. It
> > would be easy for someone to justify cheating if they spend a bunch of
> > money for a course that does not prepare them for the exam.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Jones
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Good job CISCO!!!!
> >
> > http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/telecom/cisco-pearso
> > n-vue-combat-exam-fraud-global-test-delivery-enhancements/-1099877822
> >
> > Tuesday, July 22, 2008 Cisco and Pearson VUE Combat Exam Fraud With
> > Global
> > Test Delivery Enhancements
> >
> > Jul 22, 2008 (Hugin via COMTEX) ----New Security Measures Underscore
> > Commitment to Protect Certification Integrity and Value
> >
> > SAN JOSE, CA and BLOOMINGTON, MN--(Marketwire - July 22, 2008) - Cisco
> > (NASDAQ: CSCO: 21.76, -0.41, -1.84%) and its global testing provider,
> > Pearson VUE, a business of Pearson, today announced a series of security
> > enhancements that will reinforce the integrity and value of the Cisco
> > certification portfolio.
> >
> > "Cisco certifications are one of the most highly valued credentials
> > available to information technology (IT: 22.37, +0.24, +1.08%)
> > professionals, and protecting that reputation is paramount," said Erik
> > Ullanderson, manager of global certifications for Learning@Cisco. "Proxy
> > testing and other forms of cheating can diminish the value of
> > certifications
> > for individuals and the organizations that employ them. Pearson VUE and
> > Cisco are leading the way in aggressively combating this industry wide
> > issue
> > through the latest advancements in exam development and delivery."
> >
> > The advanced security enhancements include the use of digital
> > photographs
> > for candidate-identity verification and forensic analysis of testing
> > data.
> > The new measures, to be implemented beginning on Aug. 1, will include:
> >
> > -- Photo on Score Report and Web -- On completion of a certification
> > exam at
> > the test center, candidates will receive preliminary score reports
> > imprinted
> > with their photos and unique authentication codes. The authentication
> > code
> > can be used to access a candidate's official score online at Pearson
> > VUE's
> > website www.pearsonvue.com/authenticate usually within 72 hours of the
> > examination. The online score report will also display the candidate's
> > photo. Candidates may share access to their online records with
> > employers or
> > other third parties.
> >
> > -- Forensic Analysis -- Exam results and other testing data will be
> > continuously analyzed by forensic software to detect aberrant testing
> > behavior and to flag suspect exams for further investigation. When
> > problems
> > are identified with the validity of a test result, the candidate's score
> > will be invalidated. Depending on the exact issue with the flagged exam,
> > further consequences may range from having to retake the exam to the
> > imposition of a one-year or lifetime testing ban.
> >
> > -- Preliminary Score Report -- All paper score reports will be
> > preliminary,
> > pending the results of forensic analysis, until official exam scores are
> > posted to the Web within 72 hours of exam completion. Once the exam
> > scores
> > are official, candidates may use the authentication codes on their score
> > reports to access the Pearson VUE website for score and photo
> > verification.
> >
> > "We looked at alternatives for addressing the issue of proxy testing,
> > the
> > two primary victims of which are employers and those members of the
> > certification community who chose training, hard work and experience as
> > their path to certification," explained Randall Trask, vice president of
> > market development for Pearson VUE. "We determined that adding photos to
> > score reports and providing employers with the ability to authenticate
> > both
> > the exam score and the person achieving it will provide a direct benefit
> > to
> > all."
> >
> > These new exam security measures are part of Cisco's overall strategy to
> > protect the value and integrity of its certifications. Other measures
> > include simulation-based testing, dynamically generated questions and
> > emulations to help ensure that Cisco certified networking professionals
> > continue to have the knowledge, skills and credentials to perform well
> > on
> > the job.
> >
> > About Pearson VUE
> >
> > Pearson VUE (www.pearsonvue.com) is the global leader in electronic
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