From: Roman Rodichev (roman@iementor.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 2008 - 19:45:21 ART
But we are not heart surgeons, are we?
Roman Rodichev
5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
Instructor, Content Developer. ieMentor Corporation
http://www.iementor.com
Y!M: roman7927
-----Original Message-----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Matt Bentley'" <mattdbentley@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Ramy Sisy'" <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>; "'Narbik Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "'Michael Jones'" <majonestx@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: 7/24/08 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
Very good idea.
I love the fact Juniper does this for the "professional" level cert. All
that is required of a Cisco "professional" level is a "professional" level
of testking Q and A's. I had an arrogant student quit my ccnp class to prove
to us testking was a better use of his time. He did get CCNP certified in 3
weeks of reading testkings.
Could you imagine a "doctor" that only read health magazines and then he
started doing heart surgery?
I think its time to up the ante to preserve the value of the credential.
-Joe
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From: Matt Bentley [mailto:mattdbentley@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:01 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Ramy Sisy; Narbik Kocharians; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
Why do we wait to test practical knowledge (aside from sims) until expert
level? Why not have a "lab" for associate and professional levels?
Granted, it would make exams more expensive, but this would serve even more
to prevent excessively casual test-takers from foolish attempts.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
Something has to be done...
I know about 24 testking certified CCNP/CCDP/CCVP who don't know when how to
use option 150, bgp next hop self, what MOS, etc.
It has to stop... this is a small step in the right direction for Cisco/Vue
to take.
;)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ramy
Sisy
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:42 PM
To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Joseph Brunner'
Cc: 'Michael Jones'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
If it will be done, a lot of multiple CCIEs will lose their extra unaware
titles nowadays, LOL
I wonder how a triple or quadruple will upgrade his labs every 2 years.
Best Regards,
-Ramy Sisy
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:19 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Michael Jones; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
I will vote for that.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
> THANK GOD!!!
>
> Lets start by invalidating ALL previously obtained prometric/VUE
> certifications... and requiring CCIE's pass the LAB not just the written
> every 2 years...
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Jones
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
>
>
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/telecom/cisco-pearson-vu
> e-combat-exam-fraud-global-test-delivery-enhancements/-1099877822
>
> Tuesday, July 22, 2008 Cisco and Pearson VUE Combat Exam Fraud With Global
> Test Delivery Enhancements
>
> Jul 22, 2008 (Hugin via COMTEX) ----New Security Measures Underscore
> Commitment to Protect Certification Integrity and Value
>
> SAN JOSE, CA and BLOOMINGTON, MN--(Marketwire - July 22, 2008) - Cisco
> (NASDAQ: CSCO: 21.76, -0.41, -1.84%) and its global testing provider,
> Pearson VUE, a business of Pearson, today announced a series of security
> enhancements that will reinforce the integrity and value of the Cisco
> certification portfolio.
>
> "Cisco certifications are one of the most highly valued credentials
> available to information technology (IT: 22.37, +0.24, +1.08%)
> professionals, and protecting that reputation is paramount," said Erik
> Ullanderson, manager of global certifications for Learning@Cisco. "Proxy
> testing and other forms of cheating can diminish the value of
> certifications
> for individuals and the organizations that employ them. Pearson VUE and
> Cisco are leading the way in aggressively combating this industry wide
> issue
> through the latest advancements in exam development and delivery."
>
> The advanced security enhancements include the use of digital photographs
> for candidate-identity verification and forensic analysis of testing data
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