From: WorkerBee (ciscobee@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 2008 - 19:12:46 ART
Juniper don't do it for Professional level for Enterprise routing track.
You only need to take 1 lab for JNCIE-ER.
Infact sometime last year, a prometric guy told me not to finish the
Cisco written
test within 15 minutes. I guess, Cisco has already collected the those
statistic on answering the questions.
It is amazing to hear someone can complete a 60+ questions under 15 mins at the
rate of 4 questions per min.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> Very good idea.
>
>
>
> I love the fact Juniper does this for the "professional" level cert. All
> that is required of a Cisco "professional" level is a "professional" level
> of testking Q and A's. I had an arrogant student quit my ccnp class to prove
> to us testking was a better use of his time. He did get CCNP certified in 3
> weeks of reading testkings.
>
>
>
> Could you imagine a "doctor" that only read health magazines and then he
> started doing heart surgery?
>
>
>
> I think its time to up the ante to preserve the value of the credential.
>
>
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Matt Bentley [mailto:mattdbentley@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:01 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Ramy Sisy; Narbik Kocharians; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
>
>
> Why do we wait to test practical knowledge (aside from sims) until expert
> level? Why not have a "lab" for associate and professional levels?
> Granted, it would make exams more expensive, but this would serve even more
> to prevent excessively casual test-takers from foolish attempts.
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> Something has to be done...
>
> I know about 24 testking certified CCNP/CCDP/CCVP who don't know when how to
> use option 150, bgp next hop self, what MOS, etc.
>
> It has to stop... this is a small step in the right direction for Cisco/Vue
> to take.
>
> ;)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ramy
> Sisy
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:42 PM
> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Joseph Brunner'
> Cc: 'Michael Jones'; 'Cisco certification'
>
> Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
> If it will be done, a lot of multiple CCIEs will lose their extra unaware
> titles nowadays, LOL
>
> I wonder how a triple or quadruple will upgrade his labs every 2 years.
>
> Best Regards,
> -Ramy Sisy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:19 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Michael Jones; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
> I will vote for that.
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
>> THANK GOD!!!
>>
>> Lets start by invalidating ALL previously obtained prometric/VUE
>> certifications... and requiring CCIE's pass the LAB not just the written
>> every 2 years...
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michael Jones
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM
>> To: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Good job CISCO!!!!
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/telecom/cisco-pearson-vu
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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> both
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>>
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