From: David Prall (dcp@dcptech.com)
Date: Sat Jul 19 2008 - 21:59:13 ART
If this is the Beta, there had to be an Alpha. :-) I am sure those that took
the Alpha will have a hand or two up on those who didn't.
David
-- http://dcp.dcptech.com> -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf Of Scott Morris > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:01 PM > To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris' > Cc: 'Ronnie Angello'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Wes Stevens'; 'Colin > McNamara'; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam > > HA! I don't think there'd be anything EASY about it! I think it will > attract people with that kind of experience, but still should > not be easy! > > Nobody's certified yet. Beginning of October is when the > first beta run is. > That will mostly be a few people who've been invited to be > abused for a day > in Chicago! I don't anticipate doing any studying as there > really isn't > anything in particular to study. It'll be an analysis-based exam, so > hopefully that will all mesh well with my mind that day! > > But nobody has passed anything yet. > > Scott > > _____ > > From: Luan Nguyen [mailto:luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:55 PM > To: Scott Morris > Cc: Ronnie Angello; Scott Morris; Brad Ellis; Wes Stevens; > Colin McNamara; > ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > > > So do we have the first CCDE yet? > I think if you have a triple CCIE in RS, Security and SP, you > could easily > tackle it. > > -Luan > > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote: > > > After talking with Russ for a while (and abusing him a bit) I > think the demo > is merely an early subset of one of the exam scenarios. So > it's not FULLY > completed to that extent. So yes, what you saw on the beta > is not entirely > indicative of the end result. > > That's part of why they call it a beta! :) > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf Of > > Ronnie Angello > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:44 PM > To: Scott Morris > Cc: Brad Ellis; Wes Stevens; Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > > To add to Scott's thought... > > I was just reading through the slides from the networkers > presentation. > There is a particular slide that addresses multiple good solutions. > > It basically says that, in some cases, the exam accounts for > multiple right > answers. It does say that some right answers are worth more > points that > others though. However, I have not found that to be the case > on the demo > specifically. > > Ronnie > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Scott Morris > <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote: > > It's not geared to have multiple correct answers. Every network > > design has multiple correct answers. However, many of the > answers are > > "less" correct when looking specifically at the questions > they ask in > > light of the information provided. > > > > In a perfect world any viable solution to accomplish the needs would > > be right, but that's so CCDP. :) > > > > There's much more detail to look at and a mindset to be aware of. > > It's not just another design exam. > > > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER > > Senior CCIE Instructor > > > > smorris@internetworkexpert.com > > > > > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 > > Online Community: http://www.IEOC.com > > CCIE Blog: http://blog.internetworkexpert.com > > > > > > Knowledge is power. > > Power corrupts. > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > Of Brad Ellis > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:48 PM > > To: Wes Stevens; Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam > > > > It all depends on what kind of "mood" Russ White is in. :) > > > > The CCDE needs to take a lot of things into account. I'm hoping the > > final version does just that (has multiple correct complete > solutions). > > From conversations with Russ at Networkers, it appears that > it will be > > geared to accommodate multiple correct solutions. > > > > I can just see it now...design a network for a 10,000 site voice, > > video, and data deployment...and also put together a BOM. This would > > be a great way for advanced services to offload some design work! :) > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > International: +1-702-968-5100 > > Sydney, Australia: +61 2 8080 2725 > > Toronto, Canada: +1-416-238-0441 > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > Of Wes Stevens > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:41 PM > > To: Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > > > > Colin, > > I think Cisco will do the CCDE right. The people that are saying it > > will be easy to cheat just do not understand how it will be > delivered. > > If they only give it once a qtr and change it every time, what good > > will it do you to know what the questions looked like from the > > previous time the exam was given? > > As for the MCA, I don't care how tough it is. You still end > up working > > on windoze servers. It is boring and lacks challenge. > > Been there done that and will never go back to it.... > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Colin McNamara <Colin@2cups.com> > > To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com> > > Cc: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:36:53 PM > > Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > > > > While I think Joe is being a bit sensational about > devaluing the CCDE > > before the first number is assigned, i agree that Microsoft has made > > some good decisions in creating the MCA. They have followed CIsco's > > lead > > > > on using performance based testing, and may over time > restore faith in > > their certifications. The one thing I have heard (from a few people) > > is that the MCA is focused almost exclusively on members of > Microsoft > > Consulting Services. Contrary to that, in the CCDE beta meetings, > > while I have noticed a couple Advanced Services guys > around, the bulk > > of the participants are from the Channel and industry. > > > > There are some hurdles to be jumped - mandatory channel > participation, > > MIA prereq, etc. for the CCDE to hit its full potential, but I am > > confident that the CCDE team recognizes these issues, and will deal > > with > > > > then accordingly. > > > > -- > > Colin McNamara > > (858)208-8105 > > CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH > > http://www.colinmcnamara.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara > > > > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little > longer" > > > > > > > > Wes Stevens wrote: > >> I have three people with MBA's in my group and one with a > masters in > > computer science. The MBA's are from Baylor and UT. Maybe not top > > tier, but pretty good schools. None of them have been able to break > > into management - although one is still fairly young and still has a > chance. > > They are still network engineers and I am doing better then they are > > with my IE. > >> > >> Not saying that you should not go for you MBA, just keep > in mind that > > it is not a guarantee of success especially if it is not from one of > > the top schools. There is a lot of competition out there on > the management > side. > >> > >> As far as not being able to make a living in networking - > well there > > are a lot of factors - where you live, who you work for and last but > > not least how good are you at network engineering. My experience is > > that there is still plenty of opportunity and you can make > a pretty good > living at it. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> > >> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Marko Milivojevic > > <markom@markom.info>; GS CCIE-Lab <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:19:33 PM > >> Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam > >> > >> I'm joking... > >> > >> I'm going to School to get an MBA. Cisco doesn't pay > enough money to > > live > >> anymore... > >> > >> -Joe > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] > On Behalf > > Of Wes > >> Stevens > >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:32 PM > >> To: Joseph Brunner; Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab > >> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > >> > >> You are still missing the point. It is still just a MS cert. > >> But go for it. Let us know how it works out for you... > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> > >> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Marko Milivojevic > >> <markom@markom.info>; GS CCIE-Lab <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:14:06 PM > >> Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam > >> > >> Nope. I donbt think you have read just the REVIEW phase of the > > candidate; > >> > >> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/technology/reviewboard > > /d > > efau > >> lt.mspx > >> > >> Never mind the grueling 6 weeks at Redmond in the lab phases, and > > final > >> candidate assessment. > >> > >> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/technology/howto/defau > > lt > > .msp > >> x > >> > >> > >> Imagine you and me working 6 weeks at Cisco with Russ White and Dr. > >> Parkhurst? > >> > >> Cisco needs to spend more time on assessing the people > they consider > > worthy, > >> and more time assessing their ability to deploy and > develop customer > >> solutions... rather seeing who can fire macro's into dynamips to sh > >> ip > > os ne > >> sh ip bg su, etc. > >> > >> -Joe > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Wes Stevens [mailto:wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:04 PM > >> To: Joseph Brunner; Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab > >> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > >> > >> It is still just a MS cert. It only says you can point and > click a MS > >> install like millions of others out there. > >> After you spend all that time and money there will be no payback in > > money or > >> job security..... > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> > >> To: Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info>; GS CCIE-Lab > >> <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:14:03 PM > >> Subject: RE: CCDE Practical Exam > >> > >> FYI; > >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/default.mspx > >> > >> The CCIE/CCDE is not a failed program; It is a program that accepts > >> failures. > >> > >> I think the MCA is the new bar. Cisco you are notified. > Make the CCMA > >> grueling HELL. Make it 10x hard physically, so no fat > slobs can pass > > it. > >> Make it 48 hours of non-stop configs, documentation, and testing > >> using servers, software, routers, switches, trace files, C#, SQL > >> queries, > > shell > >> scripting, anything else you can throw on there... > >> > >> When I spend 1 year / 16 hours a day getting it and I'm 30 then and > > SINGLE, > >> I want to be one of the only people in the world who has it... > >> > >> ;) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] > On Behalf > > Of > >> Marko Milivojevic > >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:44 PM > >> To: GS CCIE-Lab > >> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > >> > >> Please note that test is delivered in VUE professional testing > >> centres > >> -- not all VUE test centers! According to Cisco guys, these centers > >> are where lawyers/doctors/etc. take their professional tests. > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 19:29, Luan M Nguyen > <luan@t3technology.com> > > wrote: > >> > >>> I am going to profit big time from this.B I have a plan! > >>> I will open a top secret VUE center where the CCDE will > be conducted. > > I > >>> > >> then > >> > >>> will print screen all the questions and hire some experts > with Scott > >>> > >> Morris > >> > >>> caliber to answer all the questions...and share the profits > > :)...piece of > >>> cake! > >>> Any big wigs signed up for the beta yet i wonder? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > Of > >>> Muhammad Nasim > >>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:09 PM > >>> To: Colin McNamara > >>> Cc: Scott Morris; Marko Milivojevic; GS CCIE-Lab > >>> Subject: Re: CCDE Practical Exam > >>> > >>> Flash based Exam sound interesting but vulnerable to > PASS4SURE time > > of > >>> things if conducted in Pearson > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ronald Angello > CCIE #17846 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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