From: Rik Guyler (rik@guyler.net)
Date: Tue Jul 15 2008 - 09:48:56 ART
Nothing but truth there. I don't personally use a GUI but don't hold it
against anybody who might prefer it. All comes down to preference. There
is a lot that can be said about the benefits of GUIs. Color separation for
example has been used for years in the visual programming world and makes
sorting various things easier on the eyes. My preference for CLI is more
based on trouble using a mouse (my carpal tunnel hates the mouse) rather
than the visual aspects. For me typing is much less painful.
I'll also add to David's list: how many people use the CLI to configure
access points? Anybody remember the fine example of the CLI the BR350
bridges (pre-IOS) brought to the table? ;-)
Rik
From: David Tran [mailto:davidtran_mclean@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Luca Hall; Patrick Galligan
Cc: Gregg Malcolm; Rik Guyler; security@groupstudy.com; GS CCIE-Lab
Subject: Re: Check out 12.4.20T
Seem like there are some bashing going on with GUI. Isn't the whole idea
about
technology is to make easier to use and manage?
How many of the GUI bashers use the CLI on the VPNc to create IPSec and the
CLI
on the cisco IDS/IPS to create signature? If GUIs is such a terrible thing,
why use it
at all?
--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Patrick Galligan <pgalligan@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Galligan <pgalligan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Check out 12.4.20T
To: "Luca Hall" <lhall@setnine.com>
Cc: "David Tran" <davidtran_mclean@yahoo.com>, "Gregg Malcolm"
<gregg.malcolm@gmail.com>, "Rik Guyler" <rik@guyler.net>,
security@groupstudy.com, "GS CCIE-Lab" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 10:06 PM
GUI's just make it easy for admins with only half a clue to fck things up ;)
On 7/15/08, Luca Hall <lhall@setnine.com> wrote:
> a cisco gui? ugh, i just threw up in my mouth a little
>
> real admins dont use guis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Tran <davidtran_mclean@yahoo.com>
> To: 'Gregg Malcolm' <gregg.malcolm@gmail.com>, Rik Guyler
<rik@guyler.net>
> Cc: security@groupstudy.com, 'GS CCIE-Lab'
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:11:54 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: RE: Check out 12.4.20T
>
> I can't wait for the day Cisco have the GUI similar to Checkpoint in
managing
> VPNs.
> Checkpoint has been doing this for almost ten years now. Cisco is a
little
> late to the
> party. Guess better late than never.
>
> --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Rik Guyler <rik@guyler.net> wrote:
> From: Rik Guyler <rik@guyler.net>
> Subject: RE: Check out 12.4.20T
> To: "'Gregg Malcolm'" <gregg.malcolm@gmail.com>
> Cc: security@groupstudy.com, "'GS CCIE-Lab'"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 1:49 PM
>
> That is a big deal when you're stuck managing 100+ VPN connections on
a
> router. I love the modularity of VPN on IOS but hate the access controls
> part. This is huge for people still supporting router VPNs instead of
> dealing with the flaky ASA code. Try managing a monolithic ACL with
several
> thousand lines. Object groups make this a ton easier.
>
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gregg Malcolm
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:05 PM
> Cc: security@groupstudy.com; GS CCIE-Lab
> Subject: Re: Check out 12.4.20T
>
> BFD. Whoops - forgot that's a new feature ;-)
>
> Gregg
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Luan M Nguyen
<luan@t3technology.com>
> wrote:
>
> > ...if anyone interested...
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps8802/ps6968/ps6441/pro
> >
>
duct_bulletin_c25-409474.html<http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/ios
> swrel/ps8802/ps6968/ps6441/product_bulletin_c25-409474.html>
> >
> > Lots of new cool features :). Now you can do the object-group in the
> > router
> > ACL just like the ASA's!
> >
> >
> >
> > -Luan
> >
> >
> >
> > Blog: http://www.t3technology.com/luan/
> >
> >
> >
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