From: Marc La Porte (marc.a.laporte@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 04 2008 - 12:49:51 ART
not if an equal amount of IPexpert users use IE, and vice versa... then
"just" comparing is fine
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, josh lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> sure,
>
> but if you are comparing one to one it would make sense to remove the ones
> who used the multiple vendors and to set a date (such as when
> internetworkexpert was formed) that would be more logical. However as
> mentioned, the numbers are that...just numbers. it depends on what the
> question is...more CCIE's than anyone, fastest growing, etc...
>
> on their own everyone's lists look pretty impressive so In my view the
> numbers are just one of many elements to gauge the effectiveness of any one
> provider.
>
>
> I don't think coming right out and attacking a vendor is all that kosher
> either, just my .02 cents.
>
>
> J
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:58 AM
> To: "'josh lauer'" <jslauer@hotmail.com>; "'Brian McGahan'" <
> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>; "'Felix Nkansah'" <
> felixnkansah@gmail.com>
> Cc: "'Lala Lander'" <sshafi@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'" <
> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject: RE: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>
>
> When the lists are setup as CCIE's that were helped using (insert vendor
>> here) product, why would you discount those using multiple vendors? Unless
>> your study was designed to figure out who used only one vendor to prepare.
>> And wouldn't that logically skew to those who had been around longest?
>> Because that would be years of a head start.
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>
>> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
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>> Knowledge is power.
>> Power corrupts.
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> josh
>> lauer
>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:06 AM
>> To: Brian McGahan; Felix Nkansah
>> Cc: Lala Lander; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>>
>> I have a question, not discounting your logic here but did you
>> cross-reference the people that use both products? I'm curious on how that
>> figured into the calculations. In order to be fair I would discount the
>> ones
>> that used both products in order to gain an accurate diagnostic here. To
>> go
>> even further what about NMC and other providers as well. I know I used
>> around 4 different providers products and I'm sure many others have too.
>>
>> So I would take out the people who used multiple products and then focus
>> on
>> the folks that used the products singly, this would be more fair.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:50 AM
>> To: "Felix Nkansah" <felixnkansah@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Lala Lander" <sshafi@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>>
>> Yes, that's true, IPExpert has been around longer. However
>>> Internetwork Expert has *both* the fastest growing list *and* the
>>> longest list of all the vendors; check for yourself:
>>>
>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/index.cfm/Success
>>>
>>> As of this morning Internetwork Expert has 784 total CCIEs on our
>>> list who used our products, and IPExpert has 729. This is regardless of
>>> the fact that Internetwork Expert is about to celebrate it's 5th
>>> anniversary this year, while IPExpert has been around much longer.
>>>
>>> If you compare recent CCIE's its even a much much larger
>>> difference. If you count just numbers above 20,000 Internetwork Expert
>>> has 128 people on the list as of this morning, while IPExpert has 54.
>>> This means that roughly 3 times as many people are passing using
>>> Internetwork Expert products versus IPExpert.
>>>
>>> I find it amazing that IPexpert says it "is proud to have helped
>>> more engineers become CCIEs than any other vendor. While others may
>>> claim this honor, IPexpert backs it up... the published numbers speak
>>> for themselves." Yes, they do speak for themselves... about outright
>>> false advertising ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com <mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>> 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
>>> Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>>
>>>
>>> Felix Nkansah wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lala,
>>>>
>>>> How interesting. A poll wouldnt be necessary here I suppose.
>>>>
>>>> IE says they have the 'fastest growing list' of CCIEs. IPExpert says
>>>> they
>>>> have the longest list of CCIEs.
>>>>
>>>> If you ask me, I wouldnt say these remarks are contradictory. They are
>>>> rather complementary.
>>>>
>>>> IPExpert has been around longer and I am not surprised to hear them
>>>> preach
>>>> as CCIE Vendor #1 (in terms of longest list).
>>>>
>>>> My 2 pesewas!
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
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