From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Sat Jun 28 2008 - 20:16:26 ART
Let me give it to you from another angle. The men and women in law
enforcement do an amazing job of keeping our communities safe. They do it
for reasonable salaries, and put up with a lot of crap they should not have
to, and give complete jerks courteous service, such as drunks, gang members,
molesters, murders, etc.
When they become law officers they go through rigorous tests, psychological
and physical exams, etc. They carry guns and are trained to use them. They
get involved in life and death situations quite often. They have my full
respect.
However, much like everything else that works well anywhere, New York City
manages to mess it all up. Some how, the cops here became UNIONIZED and even
if they grow to morbidly obese sizes, they can't be fired. There was a cop
recently in NYC who was still on the force, even though he reached over 500+
pounds despite only being 5 foot 8. The union prevented his firing, even
though he was no longer able to carry out his job functions. PUBLIC SERVANTS
who are paid by John & Jane Q. Taxpayer should not be allowed to UNIONIZE,
but that's another story, for political debate...
Now, would you want a fat lazy slob, who long ago fell off his sh*t and
stopped working hard in Cisco, walking around calling himself a CCIE with
the same group of noble guys that can still walk into a problem and show
jerks who don't study very much excellent technical prowess, such as IT
Directors, VP of IT's, CTO's, CIO's, etc.
I didn't think so.
-Joe
(Looking forward to my re-cert, the CCIE Security Lab exam)
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Cisco Mania
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:47 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Expiration Policy
I was wondering if Cisco will ever change its certification's expiration
policies?
What about having certifications for lifetime? Whatever comes new in books,
it doesn't mean that technologies goes away from market, they are still
here.
So for some reason you could not take whatever required exam for re
certification? so you have to repeat alllllllll the exams all over again?
and then price jump from $125 to $150 for professional exams. and CCIE being
change every other year or so. Whatever I am saying. The basic point is that
I feel strongly that exams like CCIE shouldn't get expired if for some
reason a person was not able to take current required exams. It's a lot of
hard work and money and training is involved in achieving these certs. and
unfortunately, jobs are not very optimistic these days. and not everybody is
using cisco products. Networking jobs require you to know a lot of
other stuff.
so if u did ccnp and it expired, u are suppose to start from scratch and
start from ccna. and if it expired again, u are suppose to continue from
scratch again.
Same with ccie.
Now look at your degrees or high school diploma. if they start doing it what
will u do? Expiration Policy. Be very honest. I don't think I will pass most
of the mid-terms of whatever courses I took in college. and Most of the
normal students won't be able to do it. But anyway, certs are different,
more practical? product oriented. I am sure that once a person has gone
through achieving ccnp or ccie certs, they know most of the stuff already.
so what's they point in making them start from point A. They should be
given some kind of options for having choice if they want to renew it or no.
up to them. It all depends where they are working (and if they are working)
and if there is need for them to know whatever is added in new books.
Enough for today.
yeah, my certs have been expired. and I took one exam again but it expired
too. It's just that I think this is the biggest drawback why ppl won't go
for certs again and again. Think about it. You are in 80's now. Your
grandchildren want to go to picnic and you are busy re certifying every
couple of years.
Anyway, it also hurts to lose something what you had achieved once. and then
you are not sure if it's all worth to go through them. Knowledge is
something you have already achieved.
etc.
etc.
etc.
so if u want to go through ccie, but then looking at your other expired cert
(and ccie written has expired too), you are not sure what to do.
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