From: Morris, Jason L. (Jasmorris@checkngo.com)
Date: Fri Jun 13 2008 - 15:32:50 ART
That begs an interesting question... has anyone ever heard of someone
losing a cert over something like this? I haven't, I ASSuME that the
only time they would go to that extreme is if they catch you, in the
testing center, cheating on the test with notes or something, or you're
distrusting the information. Then your screwed.
Its like pirating movies now a days, if they catch you downloading
something you get cease and desist letter, if they catch you burning
copies in mass and selling them at a flee market... don't drop the
soap...
Jason
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Subject: Re: Ethan Banks and the "Keystone Cops"
Even though I did my CCIE a few years ago, I was reading Ethan Banks
pursuit
of happyness meaning getting his CCIE. Whatever he has done I completely
believed he deserved his CCIE. No one can say that this guy is dumb. I
certainly don't agree with that Certguard guy bashing Ethan, I think its
so
tough on anyone who gets trashed for something he has worked so hard on.
Just hoping Cisco doesn't take these certguard so seriously and Ethan
keeps
his number.
-Hoogen
On 6/13/08, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> I don't pretend to agree with everything he's stated, and as you point
out,
> I don't see how he "tied his strings together" at all.
>
> But in the purist sense (as I do point out) there are some valid
arguments
> there. I just don't think crucifying Ethan was the method by which to
do
> it. On the flip side though, it definitely got plenty of people's
> attention! :0
>
> Scott
>
> PS. Welcome back!
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:04 PM
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> gigi.ccie@gmail.com; luan@t3technology.com; bmahaffey@pelco.com;
> ccie@texas.net; joe@affirmedsystems.com; divineone@divine-wind.net;
> Anthony_Sequeira@skillsoft.com; ccielab-groupstudy@mazehill.co.uk;
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> sadiqtanko@gmail.com; samarth_04@hotmail.com; dane.newman@gmail.com;
> jslauer@hotmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Ethan Banks and the "Keystone Cops"
>
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Let's review the facts as they are presented to us:
>
>
> This is from Network World by the CEO of Certgurd (I wonder how their
D&B
> Raing is these days).
> ===============================================================
>
> I was perusing the internet this afternoon and I came across a short
blog
> post congratulating Ethan Banks on his (then) recent passing of the
CCIE
> R&S
> written test. As I'm reading the comments left by various individuals,
I
> see:
>
> I reviewed some of the older TestKing material during my final review,
> although it wasn't a major focus. The good news is that the TK stuff
has a
> lot of the concepts you need to know. But if you're looking for actual
> questions that will show up on the exam, I didn't see that in any of
the TK
> material I looked at.
>
> Comment by Ethan Banks - August 2, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
>
>
> My first thought was "did this guy just admit to cheating on his CCIE
> exam?"; then I visited this page on Ethan's site and found him
preaching
> about how "If you've taken a Cisco test before, you know that if you
> violate
> the terms of the non-disclosure agreement, Cisco will kidnap your
family,
> seize your financial assets and probably conscript you as an employee
to
> work at a trade show for the rest of your life." Ok, so Ethan doesn't
> believe in violating the NDA that he had to sign umpteen times to get
where
> he is now, but he's promoting the use of Testking (a well known
cheating
> tool) to "study" for his CCIE.
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/28444
> ===================================================
>
>
> From this assertion by the CEO of Certguard he is basing the "alleged
fact"
> that Ethan Banks used Testking from a post on another person's blog
with
> the
> name of "Ethan".
>
> Was this our Ethan? I mean our Ethan Banks, the same Ethan Banks who
spent
> countless hours writing about how to pass the CCIE Lab the first time
by
> simply doing it right the first time.
>
>
> Anyone could have posted as "Ethan" on August 7th 2007 on "ANOTHER"
persons
> blog.
>
> It is for this fact that I say that Certguards foundation of their
facts
> are
> flawed and flawed they are.
>
> Did they prove this was truly posted by Ethan Banks or just some
anonymous
> "Ethan" who purported to be Ethan Banks.
>
> Well?
>
> Did they?
>
> I never read that they did their homework on this matter, did you?
>
> Scott did you see where they tied the strings together, I did not.
>
>
> Anyone else?
>
>
> Sorry, I know Ethan Banks and I for one do not believe he would have
needed
> any aid to pass the CCIE Written Exam in its current incantation, or
any of
> the 3 CCIE RS Written exams that I have taken since 2001.
>
> He's got the skills, I've read them on his site and I've seen him work
> (sitting right next to me for some 60 hours one week in February at
> Narbik's
> Bootcamp). I was as close to his keyboard almost as he was.
>
> Ethan would not need any illicit help or assistance to pass any CCIE
> Written
> exam.
>
> Not the Ethan I sat next to and know.
>
> However, could someone else have posted at someone named Ethan?
>
> Hmmm...
>
> This is called plausible deniability. Someone would have to prove
this tro
> me before anyone mentioned stripping such an able CCIE of his
well-earned
> credentials.
>
>
> I denounce Certguard, the CEO, and the other employee as being wrong
for at
> least their methods if not their madness.
>
>
> They seek fame at the expense of one who is well regarded and well
> respected
> in our little community of some 20,000 CCIE's and maybe 40-50,000
hopefuls
> at any given time.
>
> I fault Certuard for not gathering the facts and presenting them in
their
> entireity.
>
> 1. Prove it was Ethan who posted the quote they refer to. (It was on
> someone else's blog in the first place and not Ethan's blog).
>
> 2. If Ethan (our Ethan Banks did post it) how can you prove it?
>
> - Did he buy it?
> - Did he create it?
> - Did he copy break the NDA and sell his rendition of his exam to
Testking?
> - Did he even use it?
> - Did he download it somehwere?
>
>
> I mean to take away someone's hard earned investment (most of us spend
in
> excess of $30,000.00 US) over one comment that may not even be made by
the
> accused is wrong and inept.
>
> This is wrong. I think we all know it.
>
> Tell the editor at Network World that we, as a community, will not
accept
> this sort of "Witch Hunt" or "Inquisition" by some wanna-be "Keystone
Cops"
> who parade as mob...
>
>
>
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