From: Tony Varriale (tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com)
Date: Fri Jun 13 2008 - 15:22:16 ART
There's a reason lacing is going by the way-side. It's called Velcro. :)
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 PM
To: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Luan Nguyen'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
Am I going to take heat about cable management again? In a non-changing
environment, cable management is nice. In an environment that dynamically
changes, it's out the window. On the flip side, my cable management skills
are WAY better than most telco wiring closets. :)
I can't believe this is coming around and around and around.
Check out http://smorris.uber-geek.net/cable-man.html to compare. :)
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kraus (mikraus) [mailto:mikraus@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:26 PM
To: Scott Morris; Luan Nguyen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
"Get Scott really trashed and egg him on about something?" - I think this
is an excellent goal of the group.
Personally, I think Scott's cable management skills are severely lacking and
it puts into question his organizational skills. If you don't believe me:
http://smorris.uber-geek.net/lab.htm
:D
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:11 PM
To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
Now THAT got a good laugh this morning! Thanks for that!
I try not to get too angry, but when I do, there is no grey area in
wondering whether I'm upset with someone or not! :)
So is this the goal now? Get Scott really trashed and egg him on about
something? Heheheheh...
Life is full of opinions. And everyone has their own because they believe
they are right. Some people just aren't very good at expressing their
opinions! :)
Neutral ground isn't nearly as much fun! In my philosophy classes in
college, way back when, I had a teacher wh asked me whether I was
deliberately "stalking" another student because I was in the same class they
were for three different semesters and no matter what the subject, I would
always take the completely opposite stance that they did.
It had nothing to do with what I believed was correct back then. It was
simply that they were really funny when they got angry or were losing.
So yeah, I stalked 'em. :) I've tried to mellow out a bit though. I never
took it seriously anyway, but I found that too many other people did
(generally those one the losing end, go figure).
I didn't think you accusing me, I just wanted to be sure there wasn't
confusion there! :) No worries! It's almost the weekend!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Luan
Nguyen
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:58 PM
To: 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
Always the wise one Master Scott. Didn't mean to come out as acusing you of
supporting the little troll :P For that I am sorry.
Just that you are always calm and collective and always seem to be able to
stay on neutral ground...even at time people badmouthing IPExpert.
I want to see you get angry :), come out and say stuffs like...shutup you
little troll or else I'll spank you hard :) hehe I guess it would take lots
of sushi and sake eh? :P
-Luan
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:40 PM
To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
I'm not supporting what Robert William's did in crucifying Ethan! Don't get
me wrong....
And while I appreciate the difference of "looking" at something versus
"relying" on them. But like I said, where do you draw the line?
We tend to give more "leeway" when someone going for a higher (hands-on)
cert that just looks at that material to help them get higher up. Would you
look at someone differently who was only going to go as far as their CCNP
but had used that material to help them pass the tests?
I know that reality gives a lot more grey area than the academic view Robert
posted of "he admittied that he cheated therefore he's a cheater", but where
does that line get crossed?
Why doesn't Cisco go after them? Excellent question, and I'm not the one to
answer that! My guess it that it would involve the quantity of money and
differing laws in different countries where many of these companies are
based. I could be wrong, but I seem to think that TK was a british company.
Microsoft tried to go after them a while back but wasn't very successful as
I recall.
So right, wrong, or indifferent they are going to be around. The difference
seems to be do you ONLY know the TK (or other) information, or have you
REALLY learned stuff beyond that. And I know the I don't have the time or
energy to try to figure that one out with people. ;)
*shrug* One of those things in life we will have to deal with in our hiring
practices!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Luan
Nguyen
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:27 PM
To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
Is it wrong to look at TK product? I vaguely remember someone posted on one
of the board a couple days ago on how to use TK and subscribe to Safari do
do a search for solution. If Cisco knows about TK and others, why don't
THEY do something about it? Instead letting people like CertGuard making
profits by proclaiming themselves protector of the cert virgin.
Oh, and admitting to look at TK and others' so called braindump products?
Lots of people do - famous one too :)
-Luan
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:06 PM
To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
I think they are more worried about the idea that people download questions
to magically obtain certifications which they may or may not be qualified
for.
I think we've all seen that. In fact a search of the archives will show
many discussions of this over the years in different fashions.
So while it's a very real problem, I think the article went a little too far
in crucifying Ethan. I really don't know anything about Ethan and haven't
ever worked with him, but it seems a little harsh to devalue all he has done
based on his posting, but he DID admit to using the TK product! I seem
to
recall people in here getting flamed for even asking about "real labs"
let alone admitting to using them.
Where does the line get drawn?
Just a thought.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:55 AM
To: 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
certguard is afraid of testking because they are too stupid to figure out
how to download it...
They should be more worried about learning how to use cisco hardware than
worrying about what certs other people have...
lets see their list certs!
Joseph Brunner
CCIE, CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, CCNA, MCSE 2003
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Sequeira
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:53 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
This Network World post has a link to a comparison of TestKing and the
TESTiT product I helped create for NetMasterClass. The link no longer works.
Anyone have access to that comparison?
Thanks,
Anthony J. Sequeira
#15626
www.freeiestuff.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Cosgrove
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Tony Varriale
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
Search for Ethan Banks at www.networkworld.com
Tony Varriale wrote:
> Anyone have a link?
>
> tv
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> SAMARTH
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:55 AM
> To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Joseph Brunner'
> Cc: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Sadiq Yakasai'; 'Andy';
'Luan
> Nguyen'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> Ethan needs to be supported against baseless attacks. I remember how I
was
> attacked by an unknown person personally few weeks before for raising
my
> voice against a vendor.
> Anyways truth always triumphs. Hope everything will get sorted.
>
> Best Wishes.
> SAMARTH
> CCIE #18535
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of Dane
> Newman
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:36 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Isabella Figarella; Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan
Nguyen;
> Brian Dennis; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> I must also agree and support Ethan on this.
>
> He did the work. It is documented. Certguard just wants to make a
name for
> themsevles attacking someone so well known as Ethan.
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
>> what are they attacking him for? sure he was a little slow on getting
it
> (I
>> tracked his progress against mine :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> I failed a few times, I think he passed on the first try.. so that
proves
>> slow and steady works. how could they attack him?
>>
>>
>>
>> Certgard needs to get a life (and a graphic designer, and web
designer).
>> their home page lacks credibility.and aesthetic quality.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 AM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan Nguyen; Brian Dennis;
Cisco
>> certification
>> Subject: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The 2 guys at Certguard who claim to have "years of experience" are
>> attacking Ethan Banks. I read their bull and visited their site.
They
> are
>> lamers who need to rattle chains to be heard. I guess everyone needs
> their
>> 15 minutes of fame.
>>
>>
>>
>> They imply years of experience it looks like a year of experience and
>> barely have any hits on their forum except their own.
>>
>>
>>
>> So how to fix it? Attack Ethan Banks the top CCIE Blogger. Anyone
else
>> think this is just wrong?
>>
>>
>>
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