From: EDL (r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 09 2008 - 14:07:09 ART
Is it still a good offer in Los Angeles though ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Gregory Gombas'" <ggombas@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Jonathan Greenwood II'" <gwood83@gmail.com>; "'Dane Newman'"
<dane.newman@gmail.com>; "'Brad Ellis'" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "'Chris
Gray'" <chris.gray@ozonenetworks.net>; "'Tony Varriale'"
<tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> LOL
> "90k - 120k"
>
> The economy must be worse than the actors on cnbc are harping about....
>
> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/1/1/111
> f2df6b717ec01584155f190bb0ba0@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=ccie&rating=99
>
> and this is a pretty intense job "50% travel" WTF...
>
> now tell me what the CCIE is worth...
>
> I made more than that when I was a CCNP 2 years ago...
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Jonathan Greenwood II; Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony
> Varriale; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> I don't care how big a cut the middleman is taking, as long as I get a
> fat paycheck at the end of the week!
>
> My point is, why bust my ass getting Master certified, when I can't
> find a company that will use even a tenth of my current skills?
>
> I often laugh at the laundry list of job requirements recruiters send
> me, knowing full well I wouldn't be working on half of those
> technologies....
>
> I'm curious - if I get master certification, will I then move up to
> creating vlans?
>
>
> On 6/4/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>> Middlemen (staff augmentation "Consulting" firms, head hunters,
> recruiters,
>> gold partners)
>>
>> All want to sell their clients the *best*. If this year's best is a guy a
>> who is a "master architect" instead of a "internet expert", well all the
>> better.
>>
>> >Many employers are quite content at paying a CCIE big bucks to assign
>> >IP addresses and configure switch ports all day!
>>
>> Learn how the game works.... someone is making money off you... remember,
>> what Chris Rock said "Shaq is rich, the guy who signs Shaq's checks is
>> WEALTHY!!!"
>>
>> If you are the *direct* full time employee at a company disregard this...
>> If you are making X per your, rest assured you are being billing out 1.5x
> to
>> 5x (or more) per hour for your services....
>>
>> I met someone who worked for Uncle Sam. Some defense contractor staff
>> augmentation firm (like Lockheed Martin, etc) was billing him out at $600
>> per hour!!!!
>>
>> So if a CCIE is sitting there changing speed and duplex on switch ports
> all
>> day, its so some guy can make his $$$ on his connections USING your ass!
>>
>> Don't forget that.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:43 AM
>> To: Jonathan Greenwood II
>> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony Varriale;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>
>> I'm kind of chiming in late here, but why would companies demand a
>> certification more elite than the CCIE when most companies I have
>> worked for don't even utilize a fraction of the CCIE's skill set?!?
>>
>> Many employers are quite content at paying a CCIE big bucks to assign
>> IP addresses and configure switch ports all day!
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08, Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't think the CCIE Certification is anywhere on the ropes. There's
>> > roughly only 20K that's walked this planet to receive this
>> > certification
>> > since the the program started in the Mid 90's. That's still not
>> > enough Certified to go around the globe compared to the # of Company's
> and
>> > networks that are out there.
>> >
>> > Eventually there will be alot of senior guys retiring within the next
>> 10yrs
>> > or so possibly unless they just can't give it up. But a new generation
>> will
>> > need to pickup where the pioneers have laid the ground work such as a
>> young
>> > buck like myself. I think the CCDE and CCMA are place for these
> veterans
>> to
>> > move into as the technology grows to my understanding of what Cisco
>> intends
>> > to call the "MASTER" vs "Expert"
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joseph Brunner
>> > <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > No.
>> > >
>> > > Bad idea...
>> > >
>> > > The cert is already distracted and diluted by all the others things
>> (CCDE,
>> > > CCMA, etc on the horizon).
>> > >
>> > > My clients all ask me "are you going to go for the CCDE". The masses
> in
>> IT
>> > > know the bar has already been raised, and that the CCIE is now on the
>> > > ropes...
>> > >
>> > > -Joe
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
>> > > Dane
>> > > Newman
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:04 PM
>> > > To: Brad Ellis
>> > > Cc: Chris Gray; Tony Varriale; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > >
>> > > Anyone else think they need to make the CCIE for the different topics
> a
>> > > different?
>> > >
>> > > Such as..
>> > >
>> > > CCVE = Cisco Certified Voice Expert
>> > > CCSE = Cisco Certifed Security Expert
>> > > CCRSE = Cisco Certified Routing and Switching Expert
>> > >
>> > > ect...
>> > >
>> > > If you tell someone your a CCIE they kinda automatically assume your
>> > > routing
>> > > and switching
>> > >
>> > > And yeah please update the voice lab as Brad said.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I concur with that. We are looking to hire an additional CCIE
>> > > > Voice,
>> and
>> > > > it's taking a while to find one. It's pretty easy to get an R&S
>> > > > CCIE
>> > > > engineer these days (from a staffing perspective). R&S CCIE is
>> > > > still
>> in
>> > > > great demand, but voice is in even more demand - especially due to
> the
>> > > > number of Voice CCIEs that are out there. The only issue I have
>> > > > with
>> the
>> > > > whole Voice CCIE track, is that Cisco is still testing on 4.1. All
> of
>> > > > our deployments these days are 6.1. Anyone who >HAD< a 4.1, has
>> already
>> > > > upgraded to 5.x or 6.x. I don't have any customers who are running
>> 4.1.
>> > > > Hopefully the CCIE lab exam will soon change to reflect this...BEN?
> :)
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks,
>> > > > Brad Ellis
>> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > > > CCSI# 30482
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>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > > > Behalf
>> Of
>> > > > Chris Gray
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:27 AM
>> > > > To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > >
>> > > > Its not that much better here in the UK. I have years of experience
>> > > > (Started
>> > > > for MFS Datanet in 1994). Have worked on stacks of kit most of
>> > > > which
>> has
>> > > > gone (netedge, Xyplex, Bay, GDC, Cascade, Wellfleet, Stratacom)
> which
>> is
>> > > > why
>> > > > I am working for this CCIE. Need to keep up with Cisco.
>> > > >
>> > > > But in the UK, its hard to get a job in engineering. Pre sales is
> not
>> a
>> > > > problem, but if you want to walk into an MPLS engineering role, at
>> > > > a
>> > > > decent
>> > > > salary rate (#75K and above) its almost impossible.
>> > > >
>> > > > I engaged a silver partner a few weeks back, they are offering #65K
>> for
>> > > > a
>> > > > pre sales role, but must have CCIE.
>> > > >
>> > > > I had a recruitment 'consultant' tell me that CCIE R&S is common,
>> > > > it
> s
>> > > > the
>> > > > CCIE VOICE I should have. Do these people realise what we put
>> ourselves
>> > > > through to get this certification? I bet it s a dam site more than
>> they
>> > > > go
>> > > > through to become a self labelled 'consultant'!
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyway, Keep up the good work!
>> > > >
>> > > > KRIZ
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > > > Behalf
>> Of
>> > > > Tony
>> > > > Varriale
>> > > > Sent: 03 June 2008 16:06
>> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > >
>> > > > I would rather be in OH at that pay rate. $110k in LA is tough.
>> > > >
>> > > > Tony
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > > > Behalf
>> Of
>> > > > Morris, Jason L.
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:43 AM
>> > > > To: R.S. CCIE; Joseph Brunner
>> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > >
>> > > > I have no idea what the market in LA is like. I live in Cincinnati
>> and
>> > > > was just looking at a 'cost of living calculator', the numbers you
>> guys
>> > > > are throwing out are way low for the market here. According to CNN
>> > > > Money 110k in LA is worth just a little over 67k in Cincinnati.
> I've
>> > > > got 2 guys on my team who just got their CCNA since joining the
>> company
>> > > > that are making that.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is the market in LA really that bad? If so I'll never bitch about
>> being
>> > > > stuck in the Midwest ever again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Jason Morris
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > > > Behalf
>> Of
>> > > > R.S. CCIE
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:51 AM
>> > > > To: Joseph Brunner
>> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > >
>> > > > :-(
>> > > >
>> > > > That really hurts ...... Ouch!
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Joseph Brunner
>> > > > <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > You don't find a job at all
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Walk through a big data center all those cabinets/cages there
> are
>> a
>> > > > lot
>> > > > > of smart hungry tech guys out of work right now
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You are not alone .
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Joe
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *From:* R.S. CCIE [mailto:r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com]
>> > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:34 AM
>> > > > > *To:* Tony Schaffran (GS)
>> > > > > *Cc:* Joseph Brunner; Roger; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What is the worst case scenario though? That is what I like to
> know
>> > > > .....
>> > > > > :-)
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
>> > > > > groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A CCIE with no experience, you would be lucky to get $90K
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Tony Schaffran
>> > > > > Network Analyst
>> > > > > CCIE #11071
>> > > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>> > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>> > > > >
>> > > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
>> > > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
>> > > > Of
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Joseph Brunner
>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:35 AM
>> > > > > To: 'Roger'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I was joking friend...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So we do agree!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I just finished a 28 hour marathon network overhaul and I'm home
>> > > > firing up
>> > > > > dynamips. Don't let your skill set get weakened, even for a few
>> hours
>> > > > to
>> > > > > sleep.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I was offered a whopping $112k a year for my Jedi skills in NYC
> just
>> > > > the
>> > > > > other day... the economy is $@&ked! That was at a fortune 25
>> > > > company!!!!
>> > > > > There are like 1000's of CCIE's out of work... Citigroup, Bear
>> Sterns,
>> > > > > BofA,
>> > > > > Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, Morgan, Hedge funds, these guys are
>> bleeding
>> > > > cash
>> > > > > and are dropping IT engineering staff like there's no tomorrow...
>> lots
>> > > > of
>> > > > > smart guys with no dojo looking for work right now...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That's about $2800 every two weeks after taxes... that MIGHT fill
> up
>> > > > my gas
>> > > > > tank, and put a few groceries in my house... LOL
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Guys, hit the books harder than ever if you want to swim through
> the
>> > > > next 3
>> > > > > or 5 years...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Joe
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
>> > > > Of
>> > > > > Roger
>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:05 AM
>> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Man I hate to disagree with Joseph (and I don't all that often)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If you are brand new CCIE, and I see that you have less then 5
> years
>> > > > exp
>> > > > > in large-mid size networks I won't pay better then 110-125 (with
>> > > > bonus).
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I have seen about 3-7 CCIE's recent in about the high 18xxx's &
>> > > > 19xxx's
>> > > > > they've been able to answer CCIE questions however their real
> world
>> > > > > problem solving has made me offer them much less. Reason: if they
> do
>> > > > not
>> > > > > have a wide breath of experience (2 of them never worked on
> Cat65XX)
>> > > > > more time in training and supporting them will be required from
>> > > > team/me.
>> > > > > We had one that said he had worked a lot of 6509's and was a nice
>> guy
>> > > > so
>> > > > > I took him to our server room as part of the interview and asked
> him
>> > > > > about some of the gear as I pointed it out. He couldn't tell me
>> which
>> > > > > blade in the 6509 was the sup.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > HOWEVER if you are going to work for a cisco vendor (gold silver
>> etc)
>> > > > or
>> > > > > you have 6+ years, then Joseph is about right, well I hope he is
> =)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Good Journey!
>> > > > > Roger
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
>> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > > > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> > > > > > Date: Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49 pm
>> > > > > > To: "'R.S. CCIE'" <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com>, "'Cisco
>> certification'"
>> > > > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > $140,000 with 20% bonus in writing.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Anything less and I'll say lance Armstrong has more cajones
>> > > > > > than
>> > > > you, LA
>> > > > > > cabronito Vato!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > > > Of
>> > > > > R.S.
>> > > > > > CCIE
>> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:04 AM
>> > > > > > To: Cisco certification
>> > > > > > Subject: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > What would be the minimum offer (as an employee) should a brand
>> new
>> > > > CCIE
>> > > > > > accept without hurting the CCIE prestige ? And this brand new
> CCIE
>> > > > only
>> > > > > has
>> > > > > > experience on 2600, 3800 routers.....etc. No experience on
>> > > > > > those
>> BIG
>> > > > > horses.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > >
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