From: Bill Eyer (beyer@optonline.net)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2008 - 20:34:38 ART
Very, Very well said
Bill
Scott Morris wrote:
> While it's often amusing to watch different vendor wars, it's also a little
> disconcerting how quickly people make assumptions and assertions pretending
> they are facts...
>
> It's good to know that Josh was not a customer of Paul's. Point taken,
> don't believe the disservice there about anything bad for CertScience.
> However, just because Narbik was indeed praised (should I remind you to read
> that NMC was as well?) does NOT mean that Narbik is infiltrating the group
> with marketing folks and fake accounts.
>
> While I have to admit I've never had the need to attend any of Narbik's
> classes, I have seen his level of professionalism over the years and
> stooping to that level does not jive with that. The same holds true for the
> folks of NMC.
>
> So let's keep things on the more professional level and say whatever you
> feel like about the guy who expressed his opinion (perhaps it's third-party
> opinions?), but not make any rash conclusions based on that. I don't care
> what vendor we are talking about here, but I'm sure everyone's been on both
> sides of this excitement time or again.
>
> Back to the more exciting technical stuff!
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Ramya S
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:14 PM
> To: Paul Borghese; cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
>
> Paul, Keep up your good work which is helping many ccie candidates. Hope you
> can release a workbook soon. Just ignore those messages, they are some
> marketing guys of Narabik. Certscience program is very well designed and one
> of the best along with all the other companies out there.
>
> Dr Ramya Sen
>
>
>
>
>> From: pborghese@groupstudy.com> To: cisco@groupstudy.com;
>>
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend> Date: Mon, 2 Jun
> 2008
> 12:42:57 -0400> > Nobody named "Josh N." has ever taken a course from
> Certification Science.> > A few former students of mine have been asking why
> I have not responded to> this joker. In a nutshell, I have not worried about
> it.
> Most CCIE students> are smart enough to realize it is a faked e-mail account
> designed to hurt> our program and should not be taken seriously. If it gets
> bad enough, we> have a procedure to subpoena the IP address and find out the
> real identity.> A real student would have contacted us directly with their
> concerns instead> of cowardly using fake e-mail accounts to slam us on a
> public forum.> > I will be more then happy to give interested parties the
> names and contact> information of people who have attended our program this
> year. Heck, if I> can get permission to do so, I will give you the names of
> every student who> has attended our program this year and you can obtain as
> many opinions as> desired.> > We have also started using Metrics that Matter
> for student evaluations which> most Cisco Certified programs use. I would be
> more then happy to compare> our evaluation metrics to ANY competitor.> >
> Paul
> Borghese> http://www.certscience.com> > > > > > > > -----Original
> Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> Message-----> On
> Behalf Of> Joshua> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:51 PM> To: 'Robert Bernal -
> ControSat'> Cc: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE:
> BootCamp recommend> > I don't know anything about Cyscoexpert. Nor do I
> know> of anyone who taken a class from this company. I have> been to
> Narbiks, NetMasters and Cer tscience. First> two are great; the last one
> stay away from. Narbik and> NetMasters have two different approaches.
> NetMaster is> very scientific in their approach. I.E., as if they> are
> scientists, but top notch.
> Narbik is very good,> workbooks are extremely thorough, and he is like the>
> "rainman" of the CLI, as far as I am concerned.> > I also have friends that
> have had nothing but great> things to say about IPExperts and IE, but I
> don't
> have> personal experience.> > Josh N> jnccia@gmail.com> > >
> have> -----Original
> Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com>
> Message-----> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert> Bernal - ControSat> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:03 PM>
> To:
> 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Dane Newman'> Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S';>
> cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE: BootCamp
> recommend>
>
>> What's going on, I ask your opinion and nobody did a go> answer > It
>> this
>>
> place for fun?> > > Regards.> > -----Mensaje original-----> De:
> nobody@groupstudy.com> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de Joseph>
> Brunner> Enviado el: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:21 PM> Para: 'Dane Newman'> CC:
> 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'; 'Robert Bernal -> ControSat';>
> cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Asunto: RE: BootCamp
> recommend>
>
>> Its ny dude, $200k> > > > _____ > > From: Dane Newman
>>
> [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:19 PM> To:
> Joseph Brunner> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S; Robert Bernal -> ControSat;>
> cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: Re: BootCamp
> recommend>
>
>>>> Damnit where is the new york bootcamp when I sat for my> exam ;(>
>>>>
> I guess Joseph is going to tell the ladies "see that> table of geeky
> looking> guys. Each of them is going to be making over 100k+> soon."> > On
> Fri, May 30,
> 2008 at 12:25 PM, Joseph Brunner> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:> > Yeah
> Narbik never did that!> > I'm the perennial goop self promoter here!> > Take
> my bootcamp this July!... It's not in some two bit> horse town, its in> the
> middle of New York City, near grand central> station!> > I'll even take you
> out drinking afterwards, and bring> ladies over to our> table and get them
> drunk and have them make out with> you!> > -Joe> > > -----Original
> Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com>
> Message-----> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of> Narbik Kocharians> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM> To: Ramya
> S> Cc: Robert Bernal - ControSat; cisco@groupstudy.com;>
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: Re: BootCamp recommend> > Narbik never did
> that> > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Ramya S>
> that> > <ramya_1975@hotmail.com>
> wrote:> > > All of them are good. Which Track do you want a> bootcamp for?
> Browse> > through> > all the threads of groupstudy you will find the>
> Browse> > through> > answer.>
>
>> Hope Narabik is not tunneling through again to do> some 007
>> marketing.> >> >
>>
> Ramya> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From: robert.bernal@hotmail.com> To:>
> cisco@groupstudy.com> CC:> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: BootCamp
> recommend>> Date: Fri, 30 May> > 2008> > 08:06:08 -0500> > Hello all, im
> looking for go> Bootcamp ,I see some> options> > but I don't know> which
> will be the best . What do> you guys recommend?> >> > > >> > -
> InternetworkExperts>
>
>> - CCBOOTCAMP> > -> Cyscoexpert> > > > > > > >> > Regards>> > > >> >>
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