From: keith tokash (ktokash@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu May 22 2008 - 20:52:28 ART
I take the opposite stance - if you throw nothing at a job candidate that they
might not know, you are not probing the limits of his or her knowledge, hence
you do the candidate a disservice. Meh. I erased the rest of my reply
because this thread is threatening me with a bout of narcolepsy and I have to
drive soon. I just wanted to make sure no one thinks I beat candidates up in
interviews (defending my mediocre name if you will) before I bowed out.
And there is nothing wrong with my pedigree; my father was an AKC
champion, and my grandfather was a Jersey Polack. Quite the
distinguished lineage I'll have you know.
With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy and with
science.
--Carl Sagan
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:15:51 -0400
From: gigi.ccie@gmail.com
To: rik@guyler.net
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
CC: dane.newman@gmail.com; swm@emanon.com; ktokash@hotmail.com;
tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
I do not recall any BGP in the 1999 version of the CCNA exam.
Nope note there - see below.
Are you sure you are being fair to a CCNA job candidate by asking something a
CCNA student is not even taught, and especially not taught in 1999?
It does reflect one's pedigree.
Here is 640-407 - the exam of the day
The course covers the topics you need to review for the CCNA exam including:
Understanding the Internetworking Model, the OSI Model, features of Cisco
routers, switches and hubs
Comprehending TCP/IP Protocol Suite Overview including ARP, RARP, and ICMP
Messages
Describe the major features, functions, and benefits of Cisco routers,
switches, and hubs
Getting started with Cisco IOS software including router basics, user and
privileged mode, Cisco discover mode, IOS naming conventions, and loading IOS
from ROM
Recognize the configuration commands necessary to configure Cisco IOS features
Perform the steps required to log in to the router, use help, and use editing
features
Perform the steps required to examine router status and configure a Cisco
router
Describe the router startup sequence and load sources
Perform an initial configuration using the setup mode
Describe the procedures for working with configuration files
Perform the steps required to configure the routers' identification
Describe the features and operation of the two primary configuration modes
Identify the functions of the TCP/IP network and transport-layer protocols
Perform the steps required to configure RIP and IGRP in an IP routing
environment
Describe the steps required to configure Novell RIP in an IPX routing
environment
Describe the steps required to configure Frame Relay and X.25 on a Cisco
router
Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature operation
Describe the steps required to initially configure a Cisco switch and hub
product
Describe the steps required to configure ISDN BRI
Describe the steps required to configure a VLAN segment
Here is the 640-607
The course covers the topics you need to review for the CCNA exam including:
Understanding the Internetworking Model, the OSI Model, Cisco Hierarchical
Model, Assembling and Cabling Cisco Devices
Selecting Cisco routers, switches and hubs. Switching Technologies
Internet protocol, TCP/IP Protocol Suite Overview including IP Addressing and
Subnetting
Getting started with Cisco IOS software including router basics and Command
Line Interface
Gathering Basic Router Information, Setting the Passwords, Banners, Router
Interfaces, Hostname, Viewing/Saving and Verifying Router Configuration
IP Routing, Static Routing, Default Routing, Dynamic Routing, Routing
Protocols, Routing Loops, Routing Information Protocol (RIP), Configuring RIP,
IGRP, IGRP Routing Tables
Virtual LAN, Static, Dynamic VLANs, Trunking
Managing Cisco Internetwork, Boot Sequence, Configuring Registers, Recovering
Passwords
Backing Up and Restoring Cisco IOS, Upgrading IOS
Backing Up and Restoring Cisco Configuration, Earsing the Configuration
Using Cisco Discovery Protocol, Using Telnet, Resolving Hostnames, Checking
Network Connectivity
Configuring Novell IPX, Enabling IPX on Cisco Routers, Configuring
Internetwork with IPX
Managing Traffic with Access Lists
Wide Area Network Protocols, HDLC, PPP, Frame Relay, ISDN, DDR
Configuring the Catalyst 1900 Switch, Features of 1900 Switch, 1900 Switch
Startup, Cisco 1900 IOS Configuration Commands
Describe the steps required to configure Frame Relay and X.25 on a Cisco
router
Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature operation
Describe the steps required to initially configure a Cisco switch and hub
product
Describe the steps required to configure ISDN BRI
Describe the steps required to configure a VLAN segment
Here's 640-801
Planning & Designing
Design a simple LAN using Cisco Technology
Design an IP addressing scheme to meet design requirements
Select an appropriate routing protocol based on user requirements
Design a simple internetwork using Cisco technology
Develop an access list to meet user specifications
Choose WAN services to meet customer requirements
Implementation & Operation
Configure routing protocols given user requirements
Configure IP addresses, subnet masks, and gateway addresses on routers and
hosts
Configure a router for additional administrative functionality
Configure a switch with VLANS and inter-switch communication
Implement a LAN
Customize a switch configuration to meet specified network requirements
Manage system image and device configuration files
Perform an initial configuration on a router
Perform an initial configuration on a switch
Implement access lists
Implement simple WAN protocols
Troubleshooting
Utilize the OSI model as a guide for systematic network troubleshooting
Perform LAN and VLAN troubleshooting
Troubleshoot routing protocols
Troubleshoot IP addressing and host configuration
Troubleshoot a device as part of a working network
Troubleshoot an access list
Perform simple WAN troubleshooting
Technology
Describe network communications using layered models
Describe the Spanning Tree process
Compare and contrast key characteristics of LAN environments
Evaluate the characteristics of routing protocols
Evaluate TCP/IP communication process and its associated protocols
Describe the components of network devices
Evaluate rules for packet control
Evaluate key characteristics of WANs
On 5/21/08, Rik Guyler <rik@guyler.net> wrote:
Damn...that about made me blow my milk and cookies all over the monitor!
;-)
For me, that's not a tough question at all - No. But then again I'm
currently gainfully employed. ;-)
Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Dane
Newman
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:43 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: keith tokash; <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
I don't know about you guys but the hardest interview question I was
ask is will you take ten percent less then your making now
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2008, at 5:13 PM, "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> Heheheheh... Stepping past boundaries has always been a specialty
> of mine!
> (grin)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> keith tokash
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:37 PM
> To: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
>
> Nah, I don't believe in torturing interviewees. Just a probe. Some
> people
> can cough up the answer and have no idea what it means, some people
> can't
> answer it, some are almost insulted you asked and springboard into
> solid
> detail. It's a nice soft question to gauge whether you need to ask
> any more
> questions in that area or should just move on tactfully. After all,
> you
> never know exactly where a boundary is until you step past it.
>
> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy
> and
> with science.
> --Carl Sagan
>
>> From: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
>> To: ktokash@hotmail.com
>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:58:42 -0500
>>
>>
>> I think the point is that you can cough up that statement at will
>> during an interview...but when you are reading your first CCNA book,
>> that BGP statement probably doesn't make a ton of sense.
>>
>> And that goes back to my initial statement...a typical CCNA doesn't
>> really understand how BGP works.
>>
>> If that's what you consider fun in CCNA interviews...well...I'm not
>> sure what to say.
>>
>> BTW, there are regex tools out there to meet your requirements in 30
> seconds
>> or less (for your CCIEs).
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of keith tokash
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:38 PM
>> To: Roger; Tony Varriale
>> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>
>> Hahaha, intricacies yes. But I believe they drum, "BGP uses AS-PATH
>> to avoid loops" into every CCNA student's head. At least they did
>> when I got mine
> in
>> 1999, and I hear it's much harder nowadays. I don't really worry if
>> they don't know that since we don't hire entry-level people with the
>> intention
> of
>> having them tune/load-balance our BGP, but it's nice to poke and
>> probe
>> a candidate's boundaries.
>>
>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy
>> and with science.
>> --Carl Sagan
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:31:15 -0700
>>> From: divineone@divine-wind.net
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>> To: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
>>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com; ktokash@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> You don't know keith
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>>> From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09 pm
>>>> To: "'keith tokash'" <ktokash@hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think expecting a typcial CCNA to know the intricacies of a
>>>> protocol
>> is
>> a
>>>> bit over zealous, no?
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of keith tokash
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:13 PM
>>>> To: theKonqueror; A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>>>> Cc: Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>>>
>>>> Good move. When I see CCNA on a resume my mind jumps to interview
>> questions
>>>> like, "what is BGP's loop prevention mechanism?" When I see CCIE
>>>> on a resume it jumps to, "what's the regex to filter transit
>>>> routes from our ISPs,
>> and
>>>> if
>>>> we didn't want to use a regex, how else could we filter?"
>>>>
>>>> If I see CCNA *AND* CCIE, my question will come out something
>>>> like,
>> "what
>> is
>>>> our ISP's loop transit prevention regex?" and my brain will
> blue-screen.
>>>>
>>>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with
>>>> democracy
> and
>>>> with
>>>> science.
>>>> --Carl Sagan
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:12:19 +0530
>>>>> From: thekonqueror@gmail.com
>>>>> To: ananth.sarma@gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE# 20863
>>>>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I don't want to get into the certification value
> discussions,
>> I
>>>> too
>>>>> agree with Joseph about loosing charm of RHCE. I got it few
>>>>> years
> back
>>>> when
>>>>> it was still cool. I don't feel like recertifying it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, I dropped CCNA from my signature as per orders of Mr
>>>>> Scott
>> Morris
>>>>> :P
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks once again for all your support.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rahul Nagare
>>>>> RHCE, CCIE#20863 R&S
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> http://thekonqueror.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/thekonqueror
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
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