From: Carl Yost Jr. (yostc@sunpenguin.net)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2008 - 12:10:58 ARST
Ummm no it is usually the same people arguing the same thing over and
over again...
Duncan Maccubbin wrote:
> Uhhh...the fact it comes up every two months and lives for a while shows lots of people care.
>
>
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>> From: "Carl Yost Jr." <yostc@sunpenguin.net>
>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 7:23 AM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>>
>> Here we go again.... Wah wah wah...
>>
>> These OT posts about this stuff is really doesn't help in the spirit of
>> the forum. Isn't there an OT list that could be created for this stuff ?
>>
>> Seriously every two months you see this break out. CCIE vs degrees vs
>> ..... How can anyone compare a CCIE to a PHD? Seriously let it go, no
>> one cares.
>>
>>
>>
>> nrf wrote:
>>
>>>> Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again,
>>>> can you
>>>> blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on
>>>> people passing
>>>> the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their
>>>> Master's degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I'll bet the
>>>> answer is
>>>> 0.
>>>>
>>> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I'll not only
>>> call you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea
>>> how tough the CCIE is, well, let's be honest guys, how tough is it
>>> really, relative to other credentials one could earn? Few if any
>>> people can earn a real (that is, an accredited) master's degree in
>>> just 2-3 months, and certainly earning a Phd in such a time frame is
>>> infeasible for all except supra-geniuses, as even Einstein needed over
>>> a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the MIT PhD was brought up, I
>>> know quite a few people who have been working on their PhD's at MIT
>>> for over 6 years full-time who still haven't completed the degree. To
>>> repeat, that's working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means they don't
>>> have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job).
>>> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study
>>> in order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a
>>> discordant position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn't that weighty
>>> of an accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials.
>>>
>>> I've said it before, I'll say it again: what severely weakens the
>>> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over
>>> and over and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money,
>>> sure it takes time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test
>>> repeatedly until you finally get the particular set of questions that
>>> you know well. That sort of process has no parallel in those other
>>> credential processes. For example, take the PhD qualification exams
>>> (which don't allow you to graduate, but merely allow you to advance to
>>> candidacy status). Almost all respectable programs have a finite
>>> limit to the number of times you can fail those exams, usually being
>>> 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs allowing you only ONE
>>> attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that's it: the game is over
>>> and you're officially and irrevocably expelled from the program.
>>> Similarly, once you're a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you
>>> can't just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until
>>> you finally succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your
>>> candidacy will be revoked. But a CCIE "candidate" can repeatedly
>>> attempt the test with impunity.
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