From: Rik Guyler (rik@guyler.net)
Date: Sat Mar 01 2008 - 18:42:15 ARST
I don't have any problem with your employer doing that. You can't do every
job your company does else there would be no need for the other Engineers.
However you still remain a valuable internal resource for the other guys so
you're adding value to your company and through osmosis adding value to the
customer.
In my company we're all attached to each other by a long tether so if any of
us get in a jam we can find help from the others. It doesn't remove the
need for TAC entirely but it certainly reduces it down to the bare minimum.
We pretty much only use TAC for RMAs and severe issues that need level 2
support or higher, which is a great reason to be a CCIE so you jump right
into that tier without having to forcibly hurddle the first level (big
difference between those two levels...real big). Other than that I find my
group is better at most troubleshooting than level 1 TAC provides.
Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
darth router
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:03 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Tony Schaffran (GS); Robert Hosford; sheherezada@gmail.com;
tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query.
It's not against the rules to contract out to a partner and for them to use
your CCIE. You guys ought to read that article. Honestly, all this talk
about devaluing the cert is nonsense. Cisco has ultimate control of what
devalues the cert, not us. They are managing to do that by their own greedy
devices. My employer uses my IE (Yep, I work there full time) to get into
jobs. That does not mean I do the work. Isn't that unethical? Nope, it's
just another day of business in the partner world.
DR
On 3/1/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> As a side note:
>
> Is there any end user company that will "only buy from a gold partner"?
>
> I think most of the companies I know want far far more than 38% off
> list...
>
> (they want 50%+ off list) and for that we go to networkhardware.com
>
> When you are buy two of everything and allowing NO SINGLE POINT OF
> FAILURE (all my designs) what difference does "new but used" make?
>
> I think Cisco's partner model needs adjusting... if the only value
> gold partners bring is the discount how long will that last?
>
> Most of the support I see being done by tac - customer's don't want
> gold partners billing $200+ per hour to configure a few vlans anyway...
>
> They just get those guys they hired with "CCNA or CCIE required ads"
> on dice to open a support call.
>
> LOL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Tony Schaffran (GS)
>
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:39 AM
> To: 'Robert Hosford'; sheherezada@gmail.com
> Cc: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> That is an entirely different scenario.
>
> The umbrella company itself is employing the resources regardless of
> them being spread across the 26 different divisions. If they have a
> customer that has come to them because of their gold status, that
> umbrella company has those 5 CCIE's on hand to provide the service the
> customer expects from a gold partner if needed.
>
> That is actually how the company I work for operates. We have offices
> all over the United States and employ over one hundres CCIE's. Most
> of our reigons could not support Gold status on their own, but if they
> need a CCIE resource for a customer, they can pull that resource from
> another region.
> This is smart business.
>
> Now consider a customer has gone to a company because of their gold
> status and that gold partner has just rented CCIE numbers and does not
> have the resources available. The customer would possible not get the
> service they expected, the gold partner status would lose its value
> and eventually, the CCIE would no longer be needed.
>
> Look at the big picture. Just because renting CCIE numbers happens
> and is a common practice in some areas, does not make it right. In
> the long run, it will only hurt us.
>
> I think we have said enough on this topic. If you still think there
> is no problem with renting your CCIE number, then there is nothing
stopping you.
> That is just the kind of person you are.
>
> Good luck with your future.
>
>
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
> www.cconlinelabs.com
> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Hosford [mailto:rhosford@certifiednets.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:27 AM
> To: sheherezada@gmail.com; Tony Schaffran (GS)
> Cc: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> Tony,
>
> Tell me, does the following scenario hurt your CCIE value? Is it ethical?
>
> A Company has 26 separate divisions that all have different HR
> departments, different CEOs, different internal payrolls departments,
> different state business licenses. Yet the umbrella company claims
> gold status because amongst the 26 division there are 5 CCIEs?
>
> I think hurts your CCIE value. I think it is unethical because for
> Tax purposes all 26 divisions are separate. In reality the divisions
> are 26 different companies. None of the individual companies can be a
> silver partner on their own. I don't see you complaining about this
> kind of fraud.
> This fraud hurts honest Gold Partners that will hire, train, and
> retain skilled CCIEs.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of sheherezada@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:37 PM
> To: Tony Schaffran (GS)
> Cc: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> Tony,
>
> I think you are right, but in some countries Cisco itself distorts the
> market. Have you heard of the unique Cisco concept named "country
> grouping"? Say, put together three Eastern European countries and let
> partners claim Gold status for each of them, even if they have zero
> CCIEs in particular country, just because they happen to count up to
> four in the other two altogether.
>
> Mihai
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Tony Schaffran (GS)
> <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
> > I am speaking to all CCIE's.
> >
> > This practice is simply unethical and serves to only bring down the
> value
> of
> > being a CCIE.
> >
> > If a company can just buy a number at a discount rate, then why
> > would
> any
> > company employ a CCIE at a premium rate?
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tony Schaffran
> > Network Analyst
> > CCIE #11071
> > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> >
> > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > From: Tony Varriale [mailto:tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:37 AM
> > To: 'Tony Schaffran (GS)'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure which "a CCIE" you are speaking to. But, not only
> > does
> Cisco
> > allow it, it happens.
> >
> > If you want something to worry about, check out Mr. Reese and his
> "don't
> pay
> > for licenses but Cisco should support the 3rd party market gear"
> mantra.
> > That has way more wide spread impact on the community and economy.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> Tony
> > Schaffran (GS)
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:58 PM
> > To: 'Tony Varriale'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
> >
> > This topic touches on basic ethics and I would hope a CCIE would
> > have a higher standard.
> >
> > Is it right for a company to just buy a CCIE number to get the
> > partner discounts and deceive their clients by claiming to be a
> > gold partner or
> such
> > without really having the resources on hand?
> >
> > To me, this just seems fundamentally wrong.
> >
> >
> > Tony Schaffran
> > Network Analyst
> > CCIE #11071
> > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> >
> > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> Tony
> > Varriale
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:48 AM
> > To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
> >
> > Yes it is. I would recommend not using that service you listed.
> > You
> can
> > easily find someone to take it if you are in a major metro area by
> asking
> > around and possible even from your local Cisco office.
> >
> > Normal rates are $2-3k/month with a 12 month contract.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of Darren Johnson
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:41 AM
> > To: 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: Unassigned CCIE query.
> >
> > Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an
> > unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in
> > a position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to
> > 'rent' out
> my
> > CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my
> > present employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed
> > skeptical of
> it.
> >
> > Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if
> renting
> > out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is
> possible/legal
> > and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how it works. I
> want
> to
> > get as much value out of my cert as possible.
> >
> > Thanks for ANY advice
> >
> > Darren
> > #20078
> >
> >
> >
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