From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Fri Feb 29 2008 - 21:53:18 ARST
Hey Darth,
If you read the rules in the link that I posted up, it says that CCIEs must
be full-time employees/contractors that are dedicated *exclusively* to the
partner in question. In other words, if you rent your number out for $2k or
$3k/month, $24k or $36k should be your total annual income! Check the link.
I don't think there's an ambiguity whatsoever, personally. Also, there's a
common sense test here. Why would Cisco allow/endorse this? Why would they
establish the 4 x CCIE requirement in the first place if they were going to
allow/endorse this practice whereby the CCIE do nothing at all except cash a
monthly check? Are Cisco's customers benefitting from this? Is Cisco's
image in the marketplace being enhanced by this? Does this add value to the
Gold partner status and how paying customers perceive it? Who is
benefitting from this and how does that tie to Cisco's bottom line?
For me it's not so much a question of ethics (these are our own to
interpret/implement in our daily lives). It's a question of devaluing the
CCIE for the broader community in order to selfishly turn a few bucks for
yourself. That's what I personally have the problem with. You want Gold
status? Go hire four CCIEs at market rate. No shortcuts. No cheating. No
leaving four perfectly qualified CCIEs looking for work while this
under-the-table exchange takes place between one dishonest partner and four
dishonest and/or unenlightened CCIEs.
Regards,
Scott
From: darth router [mailto:darklordrouter@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:37 PM
To: Hash!!!
Cc: Joseph Brunner; Scott Vermillion; Darren Johnson; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query.
When I read into it months ago, i think it said something to the extent that
you had to be "on" a full time contract. That doesn't mean you have to work
X amount of hours, but just be available. These things are not defined in
the rules, so technically selling your number is not breaking any rules.
People keep talking ethics, but until cisco says we can't do it, we aren't
breaching any ethical boundaries. Why doesn't someone just submit a support
ticket and ask?
DR
On 2/29/08, Hash!!! <hashng@gmail.com> wrote:
Johnson,
The bottom line is ...it's against the rules to sell your ID. You can work
as a contractor in the company but not totally sell your id. Cisco mentioned
that at least 2 CCIEs must be Full time employees that leverage you to do
that but not Implying selling the Number.
HTH
Hash
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:08 PM
To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
This doesn't really matter, and does not prove anything.
The GOLD PARNTER can just pay someone say $50,000 on a W2 as a CCIE and for
that I agree to let them USE my number, and do at least 1 conference call
with their clients each month. There would be no way to tell how many hours
the guy was there...
That seems like fair use to me... How about you guys?
Therefore, I am an employee. The deal is I'm never there, yet I still get
paid. They get a CCIE's number for their roster and a low salary no sane
CCIE would work for...
?
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:51 PM
To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
Hey Darren,
The bottom line is that you cannot do what you're proposing. Last time this
came up, I (or somebody - maybe it wasn't be after all) went and found the
audit rules for partner status. Those made very, very clear that any CCIE
numbers being used for partner status had to be *full-time* regular
employees and that (IIRC), the auditor could review payroll records, etc, to
validate that the CCIE was an active, daily participant in the business.
I'm in the same situation. I work independently and thus my number floats.
I don't really want to work in a partner/reseller environment, though, so
that aspect of my number holds no value. Oh well...
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darren Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:41 AM
To: 'Cisco certification'
Subject: Unassigned CCIE query.
Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an
unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a
position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent' out my
CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my present
employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed skeptical of it.
Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if renting
out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is possible/legal
and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how it works. I want to
get as much value out of my cert as possible.
Thanks for ANY advice
Darren
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