From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Wed Feb 27 2008 - 16:32:17 ARST
That's fair, I agree.
But what I'm saying is the $100k offered to CCIE's is often inadequate (I
mean come on, its nearly impossible to support a family on that income
nowadays almost anywhere without being in debt)
So what the guy needs is an extra $50k a year. What we should be talking
about is what the hell happened that he can't just get $170k a year or more
and just relax.
I'll tell you...
The value of someone who knows what they are doing just isn't there
anymore... Did you see my post a couple of weeks back "CCIE required or will
consider a STRONG CCNA" from a dice post.
The value of the CCIE has decreased because IT is quickly losing its value
to businesses (even though they need it).
If you are out there, please, NRF, tell us again why IT will all be
outshored to India very soon and that companies no longer have "in house
electricians"...
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
Of course there always exists a way to cheat the system (just like the lab
or the written) if someone is truly determined Joe. But the CCIE
requirement for partners is meant to ensure high standards in the channel
program. I believe that it's one of the few things still keeping CCIE
salaries high, as there are hiring organizations out there that absolutely
*must* retain CCIEs to keep their businesses viable. If what you propose
were to become common, then CCIE salaries likely _would_ drop to the $50k
mark, as rather than actually needing to hire them at $100k+, they could
just go out and do this end-around on the program requirements and never
actually hire any CCIEs with the intent that they act in a senior network
engineering role. I think the symbiosis here between CCIEs and channel
partners has to be respected or we all suffer (whether or not we personally
chose to work for one)...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:08 AM
To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
This doesn't really matter, and does not prove anything.
The GOLD PARNTER can just pay someone say $50,000 on a W2 as a CCIE and for
that I agree to let them USE my number, and do at least 1 conference call
with their clients each month. There would be no way to tell how many hours
the guy was there...
That seems like fair use to me... How about you guys?
Therefore, I am an employee. The deal is I'm never there, yet I still get
paid. They get a CCIE's number for their roster and a low salary no sane
CCIE would work for...
?
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:51 PM
To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
Hey Darren,
The bottom line is that you cannot do what you're proposing. Last time this
came up, I (or somebody - maybe it wasn't be after all) went and found the
audit rules for partner status. Those made very, very clear that any CCIE
numbers being used for partner status had to be *full-time* regular
employees and that (IIRC), the auditor could review payroll records, etc, to
validate that the CCIE was an active, daily participant in the business.
I'm in the same situation. I work independently and thus my number floats.
I don't really want to work in a partner/reseller environment, though, so
that aspect of my number holds no value. Oh well...
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darren Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:41 AM
To: 'Cisco certification'
Subject: Unassigned CCIE query.
Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an
unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a
position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent' out my
CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my present
employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed skeptical of it.
Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if renting
out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is possible/legal
and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how it works. I want to
get as much value out of my cert as possible.
Thanks for ANY advice
Darren
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