From: Matt Bentley (mattdbentley@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 25 2008 - 09:46:55 ARST
One thing to take into account. There are people here who already have
their CCIE numbers and they are going for other certifications. I think
many people who are going for their numbers have an acute case of "the grass
is greener on the other side syndrome." (including myself). However, in
reality, you will be paid what you are worth to a company. Lots of the
engineers I work with at Cisco make 120K a year (and this is in RTP) and
don't even have their CCIE writtens. And, they get paid that much because
they are worth it to Cisco. The key is to make youself valuable enough to a
company that they are willing to pay you the wage that you want/need.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Gary Duncanson <
gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Yes it used to be gallons here. At least that's what I grew up with. It's
> the EU thing that forced us down the road to litres. But yes if you
> compare
> the price of the same volume of fuel either side of the pond we are going
> to
> be paying $13.43 a US gallon over here apparently.
>
> American drivers...don't drive here!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Joseph Brunner'"
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:07 AM
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
>
>
> > heheheheh... Now, now, don't deprive us of something we just love to
> > whine
> > about. :)
> >
> > If you'd just stuck with the "gallon" idea, it'd all be better. But no,
> > you
> > had to make it litres. And along comes economics where people say it's
> > the
> > "same" price in the US as in the UK just pretending that nobody
> remembers
> > it's per litre instead of per gallon!
> >
> > heheheh...
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:42 PM
> > To: Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> > Cry me a river on gas. You guys have it sweet. In the UK we are looking
> at
> > ($13.43) a gallon anytime soon.
> >
> > 'Awesome'
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > To: <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'Scott Vermillion'"
> > <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>; "'nortic @hackermail.com'"
> > <nortic@hackermail.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'"
> > <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>;
> > "'Alan Chng'" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> >
> > Don't cry for me... $214,000 is only required if you just got here, or
> > were
> > stupid enough to buy south of 96th street. (or south of 110th street
> > lately). Not everyone lives in Park ave townhouses...
> >
> > For those of us who have lived here for years, we actually save about
> > $30,000 a year on vehicle costs for 2 cars. My ANNUAL commuter costs are
> > about $600 for 30, $20 subway metrocards. We also enjoy rent stabilized
> > apartments, in spacious prewar buildings... which only Communist
> bastions
> > such as San Francisco, Toronto, and NYC have...
> > Thanks Karl Marx, long live wealth redistribution!
> > How does 1100 sq feet for 1 person sound? Cramped? Ha!
> > When we want to WALK to any number of cafi's or hotel bars we play host
> to
> > thousands of young ladies from all over the world alone in a big city,
> > seeking fame and fortune.
> >
> > I was in CA 3 weeks ago, its WAY more $$$ there than here... You pretty
> > much
> > have to have a CAR. Even a "fuel efficient" car wants to drink gas
> faster
> > than I can slam $20 martini's at home in NYC. Filling up my tank at SFO
> to
> > return the rental car was $54 for driving about 220 miles in 4 days...
> > that's not many miles for CA. I think it was $3.64 a gallon for 89
> octane.
> >
> > So that's about $5000 a year JUST IN GAS!
> >
> > Also the cost of housing in CA is FAR more expensive than renting in
> NYC.
> > Unless you want to live in East Palo Alto, buying a house in the Bay
> Area
> > is
> > not a cheap proposition...
> >
> > Its a lot easier to make more $$$ than to cut your expenses... You
> working
> > the wrong end of the problem... those are fair Salaries Cisco is
> offering
> > even considering their stock has been and will always be flat. They are
> > "mature company" their stock will never again hit $100 a share (like
> > MSFT).
> > If you go work for Cisco do it because you love the brand, or the
> > experience. You are not going to get 100,000 unrestricted shares granted
> > like 1990.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:39 PM
> > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'nortic @hackermail.com'; 'Joseph Brunner';
> 'Gary
> > Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> > heheeh... Very true. According to CNN's cost of living calculator, a
> > salary of $160,000 in San Jose is comparable to:
> >
> > $96,000 in Cincinnati, OH
> > $117,000 in Chicago, IL
> > $106,000 in Denver, CO
> >
> > Or:
> >
> > $214,000 in Manhattan (New York, NY)
> >
> >
> http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html?step=form&x=37
> > &y=10
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Everything has it's little skew!
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE-M
> > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Vermillion
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:13 AM
> > To: 'nortic @hackermail.com'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan
> > Chng'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> > That's pretty depressing on the surface, but recent salary surveys that
> > I've
> > read suggest the average CCIE across the USA earns something *fairly*
> > close
> > to that "Software Engineer IV" salary. But those guys and gals in the
> > Fortune article are mostly concentrated in San Jose (over 16k at that
> site
> > alone!), which is arguably a pretty expensive place to live. My guess
> > would
> > be that the average CCIE working at Cisco's SJ HQ earns quite a bit more
> > than the software weenies (but a guess it would only be). I guess I'm
> > thankful that the most prevalent position at Cisco was _not_ "CCIE
> IV"...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > nortic @hackermail.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:04 AM
> > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> > When the most common job at cisco is a software engineer earning more
> than
> > the average ccie, you know there is no money in Cisco, perhaps its time
> to
> > up the silver/gold requirements to provide better paid jobs.
> >
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/6.html
> >
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> >> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
> > <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> >> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >> I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
> >> infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and
> >> j2ee, etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these
> >> guys
> > make.
> >> Even working in IRAQ, etc.
> >>
> >> I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I
> >> even felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a
> >> good school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in
> > Cisco".
> >> They are dead right.
> >>
> >> Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
> >> little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
> > everything,
> >> and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like the back of
> >> his hand.
> >>
> >> Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe
> >> this
> > is
> >> your lucky day...
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> Of
> > Gary
> >> Duncanson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
> >> To: Alan Chng
> >> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
> >>
> >> Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with
> >> lots
> > of
> >> different vendors as do many others on the list.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> >> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
> >> Subject: Moving away from Cisco
> >>
> >>
> >> > Fellow experts,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to
> >> > achieve
> > the
> >> > CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would anyone here
> >> > contemplate on moving to a role supporting another vendor (e.g.
> >> > Alcatel, Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role which
> >> > requires in-house training to learn the intricacies, proprietary
> >> > protocols and CLI of the vendor and be completely "isolated" from
> >> > the Cisco world. I'm
> > discounting
> >> > Juniper since I tend to see them in the same market segment.
> >> >
> >> > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
> > opportunity?
> >> > Less competition? Another challenge?
> >> >
> >> > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started
> >> > the
> > CCIE
> >> > journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time and
> >> > developed
> > a
> >> > familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the resources, information,
> >> > forums/communities that are widely available today.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Any opinions will be much appreciated
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Alan
> >> > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
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