From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 25 2008 - 08:43:00 ARST
Aside from the cost don't you need fabulous grades to be accepted at such
places as Harvard and Yale? Unless of course if you know an ambassador :)
----- Original Message -----
From: <kaelwyoung@netscape.net>
To: <smorris@ipexpert.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
> Scott,
>
> ???????? Point well taken, I mean how much does a Harvard education cost ?
> Yale ?? Damn ! There are many CCIEs clearing 160k / year , but they tend
> not to post in Groupstudy.
> ??? I was one of those guys in San Jose , the stress level is very small ,
> very flexible work week , I mean you make it up yourself , benefits are
> excellent .... Let me put it this way , There are no paupers on Tasman.?
> ????? To get the?CCIE ?all you need to do is pass 2 exams . Pound for
> Pound the CCIE is the best investment a person can make in their own
> future. Speaking of future , factor in IPV6 ! and the fact that 5 years
> from now every business phone will be an IP phone .....Count your
> blessings !
>
> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? Regards,
> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Karl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:49 am
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
>
>
>
>
> It's kinda like the idea of refinancing your house... If you save $100 a
> month in payments, but spend $8,000 in closing costs, how long does it
> take
> you to get back to where you really are saving money?
>
> if you go to any of those schools listed below, just exactly how much in
> debt will you be in just getting out? And of course there's no guarantee
> that Bingham McCutchen will hire you. So, while the fruit looks good, are
> you sure it'll still taste good when you get there?
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> nortic @hackermail.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:14 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
>
> 41. Bingham McCutchen
> What makes it so great?
> They're proud of their elite grads: 72 from nearby Harvard Law, 24 from
> Yale, and 20 from Stanford. They all start at $160,000 a year.
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/41.html
> Maybe its time to quit the cisco thing and go back to school
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
>> <ccieteam@gmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
>>
>>
>> I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
>> infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and
>> j2ee, etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these
> guys make.
>> Even working in IRAQ, etc.
>>
>> I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I
>> even felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a
>> good school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in
> Cisco".
>> They are dead right.
>>
>> Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
>> little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
>> everything, and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like
>> the back of his hand.
>>
>> Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe
>> this is your lucky day...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Gary Duncanson
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
>> To: Alan Chng
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
>>
>> Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with
>> lots of different vendors as do many others on the list.
>>
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Moving away from Cisco
>>
>>
>> > Fellow experts,
>> >
>> >
>> > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to
>> > achieve the CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would
>> > anyone here contemplate on moving to a role supporting another
>> > vendor (e.g. Alcatel, Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role
>> > which requires in-house training to learn the intricacies,
>> > proprietary protocols and CLI of the vendor and be completely
>> > "isolated" from the Cisco world. I'm discounting Juniper since I tend
>> > to
> see them in the same market segment.
>> >
>> > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
> opportunity?
>> > Less competition? Another challenge?
>> >
>> > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started
>> > the CCIE journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time
>> > and developed a familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the
>> > resources, information, forums/communities that are widely available
> today.
>> >
>> >
>> > Any opinions will be much appreciated
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Alan
>> > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
>
>>
>
>
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