From: Fernando Carvalho (fernando.cagica@t-online.de)
Date: Sat Feb 16 2008 - 08:08:54 ARST
I can see your point.
Agree one hundred percent when you when you say there is advantage about
knowing how to configure stuff using diferent OSs and equipment from
diferent vendors. When you work as a consultant (like i also work) the
knowledge of different implementations of some technology might be the
difference between having work or not. As for me if some customer asks about
CATos knowledge (just as an example) i will recall what i've learned and did
8 years ago and do the job, still since all the people i've worked for in
the last years are using IOS (and i am talking mainly about cat65xx) i am
not spending time keeping CATos fresh in my head (i see this as ridding a
bike, once you learn it you'll never forget), the important (like you also
said) is knowing the technology.
As for the LAB equipment i understood from the initial mail that Shady wants
to build a lab, and in his mail i saw no issues with budget, so if it was
me, between having the possibility of buying 3550s or 3560s (if money
wouldn't play a big role i would go to the 3560). When i built my rack i
would have even got as last resource a couple of 3524s from ebay if no
3550/3560 was affordable.
Why do i see things this way? Well unfortunnately i was a couple of times in
the LAB (unfortunnately because still not certified) and what i've seen
there is that appart from the fact that one must master the technology, it
also must do things quickly, and for ME doing things quickly comes better if
i have done my training in similar conditions to the ones i will meet during
the match. But this is my opinion, others can do well in diferent
conditions, in this case will be up to Shady to decide. I know one guy that
couldn't afford any switch so he used one HUB in his home lab (and no switch
at all), by the end he did a bootcamp to learn about the 3550 and passed the
lab on first attempt.
Fernando
-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] Im Auftrag von
Darby Weaver
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 04:42
An: Fernando Carvalho; 'shady darwish'
Cc: 'Cisco certification'
Betreff: Re: AW: need t know about switches for r&s home lab
On that note...
I had a funny idea lately, since I was feeling a
little light on the CatOS side of things versus the
IOS side of things and this was using my little fleet
of Cisco 5505's with RSM and/or 4506's with WS-X4232's
to work out the labs.
Now you might wonder why? Well the CatOS is still
alive on so many networks and guess what... I have to
work on so many of those networks with the CatOS, so
why not feel like I own every command.
I'm taking the same concept to other vendor's switches
as well and I just finished buying my third old
Cabletron to do something similar with the Cabletron (Enterasys).
As you can imagine, I get called to work on networks
with Foundry, Nortel, 3Com, and even Extreme, and
while I can usually figure it out, it would be helpful
to be more "masterful" with other switching platforms
as well.
I might also add that while interviewing with Cisco
once upon a time, I got the feeling that being
knowledgeable (extremely) about the competition, that
one would have a special place as an SE or FE.
Remember Cisco likes taking over other vendor accounts
and strongholds.
While it is strictly better to have the latest and
greatest switches, most of the tasks in
Switching/Bridging have to do with the conceptual
understanding of the technology; so...
If it came down to buying 2 3560's versus buying 1
3560 and 2 3550's...
You got it... Buy the triangle.
And if you had to buy the triange with a 3550, 3560,
and a 4000/5000/5500 switch with L3 capability, then
you get an added bonus of now learning even more about Switching and maybe
even helped yourself get the next job too.
Recall a lot of older CCIE's got certified on CatOS
and so they know it better and the newer CCIE's got
certfied on the IOS... knowing both adds an Ace to
your hand.
But... there will be those who say differently.
However, how many networks still have Cat6000/6500
with CatOS?
You got it. CatOS is a bit of a nice skill to have.
Arguably one can figure it out. But wouldn't you
rather be the expert? And they are dirt cheap.
--- Fernando Carvalho <fernando.cagica@t-online.de>
wrote:
> The Cisco WS-C3560-24TS-S will do it IF YOU HAVE THE
> CORRECT IMAGE FOR IT.
> The hardware is Cisco WS-C3560-24TS. S or E means
> the licence you are
> buying, so if you have a possibility to get the
> correct image (advanced ip
> services) you can always load if on the switch.
> The 3550 is different HW for SMI and EMI but the SMI
> still accepts EMI
> image, however i wouldn't buy because is being
> replaced by the 3560 on the
> LAB and also on IE labs.
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: shady darwish [mailto:engshad.shady@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 12:06
> An: Fernando Carvalho
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Betreff: Re: need t know about switches for r&s home
> lab
>
>
> if ineed to do IE labs wich one from the below
> switches will fit:-
>
> Cisco WS-C3560-24PS-S
> Cisco WS-C3560-24TS-S
> Cisco WS-C3550-24-EMI
> Cisco WS-C3550-24-SMI
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Fernando Carvalho
> <fernando.cagica@t-online.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Only the EMI or E is the same (states for enhanced
> multilayer image)
> > contains the advanced routing features you need
> for the r&s exam.
> >
> > Note: the hardware for SMI supports the EMI image.
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] Im Auftrag
> > von shady darwish
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 00:47
> > An: Cisco certification
> > Betreff: need t know about switches for r&s home
> lab
> >
> >
> >
> > 3560-24TS-E
> > 3550-24 EMI
> > why do i need TS-E AND EMI and can i replace them
> with any other 3560
> > and 3550 kinds .please do help me to understand
> >
> >
> >
>
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