From: Dane Newman (dane.newman@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Feb 15 2008 - 17:22:01 ARST
Let me clarify my stance here
I 100% agree with the IPexpert folks and the majority of the list. But We
are all adults and able to make our on decisions about right and wrong and
who is telling the truth or not. I think everyone has a right to say what
they want. I think it somewhat diminishes us all when even the most wrong
of people are told they can't voice there opinion though.
On 2/14/08, Dane Newman <dane.newman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seriously people. Everyone has a right to there own views. I can
> understand why the IPEXPERT folks are jumping in here (they have to defend
> there business and rightfully so from what I seen its the Marjory of people
> love them) but why jump down this guys throat? He has a right to think and
> voice what he thinks. When selling a product you will never have 100%
> success rate with everyone. Why is it not ok that someone was unhappy with
> there purchase even if the majority of people where?
>
> Dane
>
>
> On 2/13/08, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> > Congratulations on passing... Congratulations on getting the
> > assistance
> > that you felt you needed there.
> >
> > But I cannot understand why you feel the need to dredge up the same
> > false
> > allegations that you have brought up on numerous boards (including this
> > one)
> > before. On other boards, I have sat back twiddling my fingers and just
> > thinking of all the things I probably shouldn't say. But it goes on and
> > on
> > and on. You've posted to this board before. You've gotten responses on
> > this board before. And then you disappear.
> >
> > Other than pointing out the obvious inaccuracies regarding your "lack of
> > support" problems (check the archives for those who are bored and/or
> > interested), and not mentioning the multiple personal phone calls you
> > got
> > from instructors including one who gave you a phone number while he was
> > at
> > his mother's house so you had a local call in the UK...
> >
> > But now we have something new here. The idea that anyone deliberately
> > withheld information in order to prolong your
> > studying? Cute. Definitely
> > not accurate, but cute!
> >
> > I'll give you credit, because in the past you haven't responded to any
> > offers to figure out what your perceived errors or support problems
> > were.
> > you simply post a message and run and hide. Or perhaps ran to
> > study. But
> > now you're being inventive. I will give you credit for that, at least
> > you
> > have made me laugh this morning.
> >
> > On the good note of things, as you go forward in your career I suppose
> > we
> > will at least be able to honestly say "It isn't IPexpert's fault". :)
> >
> > But I really wish you wouldn't bother spouting lies. It simply
> > belittles
> > your accomplishment here.
> >
> > Congratulations on passing.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE-M
> > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:18 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on my first attempt.
> > Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me towards achieving this
> > goal.
> > Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team (Brad) who gave
> > me
> > personal support. Even though I did not buy any of their products they
> > gave
> > their personal contact details and helped me when I needed much help.
> >
> > I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the written after
> > reading
> > all the recommended cisco press books. Then my company supported me in
> > buying all the voice lab equipment which I setup in my office.
> > They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to go to the
> > IPexpert for 12 days.
> >
> > I bought all IPexpert products including COD and spent more then
> > $10,000.
> > However I found their bootcamp demoralizing and disappointing . I was
> > discouraged and told that no one could pass the lab in the first
> > attempt.
> > I felt they were hiding things from me so as to prolong my studies so as
> > to
> > keep me lingering on.. Their support was terrible, their workbook had
> > errors, little explanations and I found myself spending hours being
> > frustrated when things would not work due to ommisions or things not
> > explained properly. As a customer I expect a teaching product to be
> > accurate and explain things so as to reinforce my technical
> > abilities, but
> > soon I discovered that their strategy was to hide things, to make me it
> > difficult instead and to mentally discourage me so that I was
> > guaranteed to
> > fail on first attempt.
> >
> > However I kept positive and determined to pass this exam and made a
> > challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent the next two months
> > off
> > work and studying 15-18 hours per day and working on my weaknesses.
> > I consulted the cisco press books several times until I was comfortable
> > with
> > every technology and spent hours on-hands practising on all the
> > technologies.
> >
> > From my experience the lab was not as hard as I thought it would be. I
> > got
> > back from Brussels today and saw the good news.. now its time for a
> > break
> > and some celebration.
> >
> > Thanks to you all.....
> >
> > J P Singh
> >
> > CCIE (R & S , Voice)
> >
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