From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Fri Feb 15 2008 - 12:48:16 ARST
There's a large difference between imperfections (everyone has them, and
most try to fix them) and making things up. If someone wants to express an
opinion about a product, that's fine it's their opinion, and there's nothing
different than can be said other than trying to figure out "why" and if it's
really a problem, fixing it.
If someone comes in and makes things up that are not true, and makes it a
completely personal attack on people, THAT is a whole different story.
Call it ego if you want, but that has nothing to do with it. It must go
back to my college days, I'm a journalist by training... it's all about
facts. The truth is an ultimate defendable position no matter what anyone
else says. However, in this specific case, that did not hapen.
Now, a hippocrate would imply that we say one thing yet completely do the
opposite, which I don't think is the case at all, but I suppose it's a
matter of your opinion.
AFAIK, nobody's going to remove you from the list. Or if they did, it would
not be because of us. (it's not our list anyway!)
So don't get your panties in a knot there. Judging by your e-mail, I'll
assume your proximity to JP and you may have heard his list of opinions on
things. Opinions != facts. 'nuff said.
Anyone who's out there, if you feel like bashing our products or services
(or anyone's) , knock yourself out. It's a free world. Just be factual
about it!
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
#153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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From: CCIE RS [mailto:cciers@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:22 AM
To: Dane Newman; Scott Morris
Cc: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
Dane,You are right.
Their EGO wont permit that as it affects their business, ccie voice is now a
big market. They agree that they are imprefect and yet when reviews that
describe their imprfectness pops up, they say its all false, they are
hippocrates.
I know now that I have posted these messages, I will be removed from the
list, now I dont care. Biz/money is more valuable than the truth in todays
world.
I just expressed my original thoughts about IPEXPERT. I dont condition my
thoughts like how others are in this list, specifically who hammered
Jaitender. They cannot simply accept the truth. I and Jaitender have dared
to come out with our unconditioned expericences.
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:46 -0500
> From: dane.newman@gmail.com
> To: swm@emanon.com
> Subject: Re: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
> CC: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Seriously people. Everyone has a right to there own views. I can
> understand why the IPEXPERT folks are jumping in here (they have to defend
> there business and rightfully so from what I seen its the Marjory of
people
> love them) but why jump down this guys throat? He has a right to think and
> voice what he thinks. When selling a product you will never have 100%
> success rate with everyone. Why is it not ok that someone was unhappy with
> there purchase even if the majority of people where?
>
> Dane
>
>
> On 2/13/08, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> > Congratulations on passing... Congratulations on getting the assistance
> > that you felt you needed there.
> >
> > But I cannot understand why you feel the need to dredge up the same
false
> > allegations that you have brought up on numerous boards (including this
> > one)
> > before. On other boards, I have sat back twiddling my fingers and just
> > thinking of all the things I probably shouldn't say. But it goes on and
> > on
> > and on. You've posted to this board before. You've gotten responses on
> > this board before. And then you disappear.
> >
> > Other than pointing out the obvious inaccuracies regarding your "lack of
> > support" problems (check the archives for those who are bored and/or
> > interested), and not mentioning the multiple personal phone calls you
got
> > from instructors including one who gave you a phone number while he was
at
> > his mother's house so you had a local call in the UK...
> >
> > But now we have something new here. The idea that anyone deliberately
> > withheld information in order to prolong your studying? Cute. Definitely
> > not accurate, but cute!
> >
> > I'll give you credit, because in the past you haven't responded to any
> > offers to figure out what your perceived errors or support problems
were.
> > you simply post a message and run and hide. Or perhaps ran to study. But
> > now you're being inventive. I will give you credit for that, at least
you
> > have made me laugh this morning.
> >
> > On the good note of things, as you go forward in your career I suppose
we
> > will at least be able to honestly say "It isn't IPexpert's fault". :)
> >
> > But I really wish you wouldn't bother spouting lies. It simply belittles
> > your accomplishment here.
> >
> > Congratulations on passing.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE-M
> > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:18 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on my first attempt.
> > Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me towards achieving this
> > goal.
> > Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team (Brad) who gave
me
> > personal support. Even though I did not buy any of their products they
> > gave
> > their personal contact details and helped me when I needed much help.
> >
> > I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the written after
reading
> > all the recommended cisco press books. Then my company supported me in
> > buying all the voice lab equipment which I setup in my office.
> > They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to go to the
> > IPexpert for 12 days.
> >
> > I bought all IPexpert products including COD and spent more then
$10,000.
> > However I found their bootcamp demoralizing and disappointing . I was
> > discouraged and told that no one could pass the lab in the first
attempt.
> > I felt they were hiding things from me so as to prolong my studies so as
> > to
> > keep me lingering on.. Their support was terrible, their workbook had
> > errors, little explanations and I found myself spending hours being
> > frustrated when things would not work due to ommisions or things not
> > explained properly. As a customer I expect a teaching product to be
> > accurate and explain things so as to reinforce my technical
> > abilities, but
> > soon I discovered that their strategy was to hide things, to make me it
> > difficult instead and to mentally discourage me so that I was guaranteed
> > to
> > fail on first attempt.
> >
> > However I kept positive and determined to pass this exam and made a
> > challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent the next two months
off
> > work and studying 15-18 hours per day and working on my weaknesses.
> > I consulted the cisco press books several times until I was comfortable
> > with
> > every technology and spent hours on-hands practising on all the
> > technologies.
> >
> > From my experience the lab was not as hard as I thought it would be. I
got
> > back from Brussels today and saw the good news.. now its time for a
break
> > and some celebration.
> >
> > Thanks to you all.....
> >
> > J P Singh
> >
> > CCIE (R & S , Voice)
> >
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