From: M_A_Jones@Dell.com
Date: Mon Feb 04 2008 - 13:23:38 ARST
I have a TS/SSBI/SCI
And dont know if I would neccessarily do it all over again, one thing
people dont realize is that CCIE and Top Secret can effectively over
price you, unless youre in the DC metro area. Ive been in texas and
worked for the DOD at FT.Hood... not to mention the invasivness of the
investigation...
It took me a year to get my secret and about another year and a half for
my TS/SSBI. SCI is just an elgilbility not clearance..
Michael Jones
Network Engineer
Global Network Operations
Dell Inc. | Information Technology
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Santi
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:09 PM
To: 'Cacca Mucca'; 'Joseph Brunner'
Cc: 'shiran guez'; EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: (no subject) - Security clearances
One thing that a civilian contractor must realize is one, unless you
already have your TS/SCI because of a DOD or military background, it is
not likely the contractor will ever obtain it. A TS, yes. At the most.
If the contract requires it. Anything above this is very highly
improbable. For one thing, a TS/SCI is going to cost either the company
or DOD over 150K. And this is "IF" the contractor already has a TS.
Two, if the contractor is not a U.S. citizen and their background cannot
be positively verified to DOD reqs, the contractor will not ever obtain
a TS in the Dept of Defense, let alone a "secret" clearance.
A TS can be granted interim, if the contractor already has a "secret"
clearance, is a U.S citizen and has a verifiable background. But it
takes no less than a year to obtain a full TS. Most likely, two years.
Anything above this will take longer, "UNLESS", you are in the
Department of Defense, working for one of the three letter agencies or
in the military. I have seen DOD contractors working on certain
projects be pushed through, when a full Bird or above signs off on the
requirement for the contractor to have a high clearance and the need
cannot be readily fulfilled by someone who already possesses such a
clearance.
There are exceptions to all of the above. But, for all practical
purposes, those are as rare as squeezing a diamond out of your butt.
Contractors with a "secret" clearance are pretty much a dime a dozen in
the DOD and military. Not much leverage when it comes to salary
negotiation. The reason being is that it is not that hard to obtain
one, unless you have been naughty in the past, bad credit, bad divorce,
too many traffic tickets, murder.......
Santi
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Cacca Mucca
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 6:50 AM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: shiran guez; Darby Weaver; EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
If one has SSBI/TS and/or SCI/TS, I think $180K a year plus benefits is
a good place to start.
It takes so long for the investigation, you are in high demand.
Last time I heard, it takes 3 to 5 years for the investigation.
On 2/1/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
>
> Only Lockheed martin, Northrop Grumman, Computer
Sciences Corp and other
> juiced in firms can charge that much in DC. Do you
think "John P.
> Consultant" can ever bid on a contract at the
Pentagon or Social Security
> Administration?
>
> The requirements for SSBI/Top Secret Clearance, etc.
all but
> insurmountable
> to small firms that just don't have a person on staff
that can pass that
> background check... oh, yes, and you'll fail it with
a tax lien on your
> credit file... I can assure you that...
>
> So good luck guys...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> shiran guez
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:49 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
> Just one thing to think about: 2 weeks ago I was in
my first lab attempt
> in
> San Jose CA I stayed in Hotel 10 min from Cisco
buildings the distance
> between the hotel to the Airport was ~30mil just
under 40 min drive the
> taxi
> took 120$ and I drought he had a CCIE, so in relation
to that a hour fee
> can
> change based on location as you may be able to charge
120 - 150 per hr in
> CA
> but in DC you will be able to charge 250$ per hr or
in India you will not
> be
> able to Charge more then 50$ per hr, so it is really
a location dependent.
>
> Also another suggestion if you want to continue in
your line of work IT do
> not quit anything stick in your quest to achieve
goals as it is not only
> good for your prestige it is also show character and
as we are in a
> capitalistic world it also pay the rent. and it
doesn't meter if you will
> pursue Cisco or other (forgive me John Chambers) like
Juniper (growing
> quickly).
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 5:16 PM, Darby Weaver
<darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This may be true.
> >
> > Jospeh Brunner quotes some nice rates and I guess
as a
> > trainer and as an outsourcer (I understand he might hire out soem of
> > his students from time to time),
then
> > yes, contract rates may be exceptional - $150k or
even
> > $150.00 per hour in NY or elsewhere.
> >
> > However, it seems most CCIE and CCIE-level
positions
> > seems to get to about the $125-150k plus benefits
and
> > bonus.
> >
> > With that said I recall hearing of a CCIE in my own company working
> > at a site for a about 1/2 the low figure.
> >
> > I know of a double CCIE personally who was a double and doing 80k
> > till he got a few years of seasoning, and I'd have to check but with
> > a CCIE RS/Security
and
> > signicicant VoIP experience working for a Gold
Partner
> > he may still be under $125k base.
> >
> >
> > So... for most of us, I think $100-125k is going to
be
> > the rate for a while. Contract rates will differ somewhat depending
> > on conditions. $150k may be the tops.
> >
> > Just a few observances...
> >
> > Personally myself and a coworker were speaking of
this
> > yesterday actually came to the conclusion that a
CCIE
> > certification pretty much qualifies one to
volunteer
> > for travel, and extensive travel at that at least
for
> > our company.
> >
> > Myself, I'm too close to quit the IE quest now
however
> > mypartner is fairly experienced and ties knots with the IOS on a
> > daily basis... the last quote from
TAC
> > to him was "Is there any feature that you didn't use..."
> >
> > But newbies may have a harder time trying to
justify
> > the time and expense required to earn the CCIE,
when
> > there are so many easier roads to follow that
require
> > so much less dedication and regimen to achieve.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- EdmondsSG@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure that having IE means $$$ in the
market
> > > place anymore - maybe
> > > for people running bootcamps etc and the like -
but
> > > not in my world....
> > >
> > > I would think theres more money to be made in advising others how
> > > to pass than in say a bank isp etc ..
> > >
> > >
> >
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