From: Dane Newman (dane.newman@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 28 2008 - 10:24:42 ARST
Well I am from new york also so I am going after Josephs client list also!
On Jan 27, 2008 11:11 PM, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> I keep hearing this $150k or $150.00 per hour...
>
> In my neck of the woods, services are billed and paid
> by Cisco Partners that <ACTUALLY> get the business at
> rates of about $125.00 - $150.00 per hour. This
> includes services for Voice, Security, and "basic" RS.
> And typically with that goes the hardware sales as
> well.
>
>
> Maybe in some cases people are willing to pay more...
>
> But you know us guys in the South travel as well and
> we do travel to Manhattan as well...
>
> So supply and demand reigns supreme in most places.
>
> These days it is not unusual for clients (end-users)
> to hire contractors from around the country to perform
> the work needed. Granted expenses come into play but
> that is the way of the world, since not many companies
> can say all of their highly skills or qualified people
> live in merely one city.
>
>
> So... I'm looking for Joe's client list.
>
>
>
> --- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's an interesting observation on voice work and
> > wages too. Since when
> > is 100K paltry? That's the ballpark for many CCIE's
> > in the states these days
> > isn't it?
> >
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > To: "'Dane Newman'" <dane.newman@gmail.com>; "'Cisco
> > certification'"
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:56 AM
> > Subject: RE: So which is there more of a market
> > demand for?
> >
> >
> > > I'm in your boat Dane. I also recently passed the
> > r&s lab, and want to get
> > > another one done asap.
> > >
> > > I would only offer this; I think the voice track
> > is HEAVILY user facing,
> > > especially if you are a consultant. A phone on
> > someone's desk is a very
> > > very
> > > personal, heavily used tool at most companies. You
> > will spend a lot of
> > > time
> > > helping users reset their voice mail passwords,
> > modifying soft keys, etc.
> > > forget any special documentation you could create
> > to help them, especially
> > > big shots, they will want personal "code blue"
> > service. I really don't
> > > want
> > > to get my voice ccie and spend 10 years walking
> > from desk to desk, the
> > > Monday after a voip deployment and helping people
> > get accustomed to their
> > > new phones, video phones, and soft phones (I would
> > rather work at kfc).
> > >
> > > That being said, I would say if you are just
> > planning to work as a wage
> > > slave (read IRS form 1040) at a big company or
> > Cisco parter that designs,
> > > deploys voice solutions, its possible there will
> > be people on your team
> > > more
> > > junior to you to help do the user facing stuff.
> > But be warned, I have met
> > > several voice ccie's who had the voice end of the
> > job, etc. where I have
> > > worked. They definitely faced a lot of users. So I
> > call this the "only
> > > user
> > > facing ccie". Now with security it's all done
> > stealth in the back room,
> > > and
> > > no one needs to be walked through setting their
> > "ASA FW PASSWORD", etc.
> > >
> > > I'm doing both, because I want 2 more stars on my
> > uniform, but that's me.
> > > As far as financial outlook, that impossible for
> > anyone to say. You can
> > > have
> > > neither and can make more than two people having
> > one each, or you can make
> > > only a paltry $100k (or less) having both. Money
> > is in the hand of the
> > > entrepreneur, all else get money from his hands,
> > when he sees fit.
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > > #19366
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Dane
> > > Newman
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:45 PM
> > > To: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: So which is there more of a market demand
> > for?
> > >
> > > So in your view which is in demand more in the job
> > market? CCIE voice or
> > > CCIE Security?
> > >
> > > I am sure I am going to try my hand at both
> > someday but for the time being
> > > Im trying to figure out which one will be the best
> > to start out with?
> > >
> > > Dane
> > >
> > >
> >
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