From: CCIE3000 (ccie3000@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 2008 - 13:59:19 ARST
Hey Bruno,
Firstly congrats, from reading your post you've definitely earned it.
And screw the long windiness...you've put down some very good info here.
As for the money, it's all a life balance, sure, you push for a good salary,
but as long as you have enough for you and your family to enjoy yourselves,
put a bit aside and you're happy then what's the worry. No matter how good a
CCIE you are, the market will only pay so much.
Well done again,
Hell, it's a Friday, crack open a beer and enjoy the weekend :)
On 1/17/08, Wollmann, Bruno RQHR <Bruno.Wollmann@rqhealth.ca> wrote:
>
> Hello GS,
>
> Sorry for this long-winded message. I just wanted to share my
> experience in hopes that it helps others attain their CCIE goal.
>
> On Monday, January 14th in San Jose I passed the CCIE lab on my second
> attempt. I was very surprised at how quickly I found out. 3 hours
> after we were booted out of the lab I got the email telling me to check
> the website for my results. After a few nervous clicks, I saw the great
> news.
>
> I want to thank all who contribute to this list as it is a great
> resource for learning. I joined this list in July, 2007 and I think I
> have only had to post 2 questions as all my other questions were
> answered by reading the archives. This is a fantastic group.
>
> I want to thank the proctors in San Jose. They were very helpful.
>
> I also need to thank my family and especially my wife. I have 3 kids
> who are very busy with sports and my wife took over my parenting duties
> to allow me to study. I am truly lucky to have such a great wife. I
> can now go back to being a father, husband, friend and coach as I used
> to coach my kids hockey and baseball teams before I started studying for
> CCIE.
>
> Final thanks go to IPEXPERT and INTERNETWORK EXPERT as it was their
> products I purchased to help me study.
>
> I also have to apologize as I will most likely be decreasing the average
> salary for a CCIE. I live in a place that doesn't have a very large
> population and not many large networks (I think I work on the 2nd
> largest network in my area already) so the only way to get a higher
> paying job is to move. There is no way my family wants to move. I do
> like my current job so it would be hard to leave. The only other option
> is to become a traveling or remote consultant. Let me know if you're
> looking for such a person :)
>
> STUDY MATERIAL:
> IP Expert WB version 9.0
> IE WB version 4.1 Volumes I, II & III
> IE Advanced Technologies CoD version 4.5
> Cisco UniverCD - many, many hours spent here
> Group Study Archives - many, many hours spent here as well
> ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/ipmulticast/training/index.html
>
> STUDY STRATEGY:
> My study strategy for my 2nd attempt was very different than for my
> first attempt (June 2007). For my first attempt the only thing I used
> to study was IP Expert WB version 9.0. This book got me very close to
> passing but I didn't use it the right way. I completed this workbook
> from cover to cover and that helped me come up with a very good strategy
> for taking the exam itself but I still had holes in my knowledge. I am
> in no way bashing IP Expert. I am very happy with their product and I
> would recommend it to anyone. My problem was I stuck 100% to the
> workbook. I didn't go exploring to change any solutions to see the
> affects that different commands have on a working system. I also spent
> no time with the UniverCD. I went into my first attempt being very weak
> in QoS and Multicast. This was a bad idea. It truly is an expert level
> exam and weaknesses will be exposed. I took 6 weeks holidays from work
> right before this attempt and worked from morning to night. I think I
> burnt myself out and really gave myself no chance to pass.
>
> I started studying in October 2007 again after taking 3 months off to
> enjoy summer and so that I could get involved with my family again. I
> started by reading the UniverCD and trying different commands to
> understand how they work and what they do. I spent many hours in the
> QoS and Multicast sections.
> ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/ipmulticast/training/index.html was next. I felt
> very comfortable with multicast after reading everything on this
> website. I then went through the IE CoD. This was a good refresher for
> topics I already knew and felt comfortable with. It was a great tool
> for building a good foundation for my weak areas.
>
> I then took another 3 weeks holidays from work for the 3 weeks right
> before my 2nd attempt. In these last 3 weeks I only did 8 full day
> labs. I did a few from IP Expert and a few from IE. Each 8-hour lab
> took me about 16 hours over 2 days. This is because I looked up
> everything in the UniverCD so that I knew where to find everything if I
> needed it during the exam. The other reason was that I tried every
> possible solution to each question. I learned how each option affected
> the solution and I also learned the show and debug commands to verify my
> solutions. I didn't know many show and debug commands for my first
> attempt. As backwards as this sounds, I think taking 16 hours to do an
> 8-hour lab actually helped with my speed. When I got to the real exam,
> I was able to immediately think of a few different options for each
> question and then all I had to do was decide on the correct option and
> apply it.
>
> In the last days leading upto my exam I was getting very good at the
> core topics. For the remaining IE labs I didn't do the layer 2 and 3
> portions. I just read the labs and the solution guides and just
> answered the remaining lab questions on routers and switches without any
> base configs. Obviously I couldn't test IP reachability with this
> method but I didn't need to. I just wanted to be able to read a
> question, understand the problem and know what solution to implement. I
> found this to be a good strategy for Security, IP and IOS Features.
>
> I quit studying at noon on Friday, January 12th. I installed a new
> dishwasher in our kitchen on Friday afternoon and took my youngest son
> to a hockey game on Friday night. I flew to San Francisco early
> Saturday morning and went shopping for souvenirs. I didn't study all
> day. At night I went and watched the San Jose Sharks beat the Toronto
> Maple Leafs. Before I went to bed, I check GS. On Sunday I woke up at
> 7:00am and went on the tour of Alcatraz and then toured around
> Fisherman's Wharf for the rest of the day. Sunday night I went to a
> movie and then checked GS before I went to bed. I kept myself very busy
> on the weekend and did a lot of walking while shopping and site-seeing.
> This was to ensure that when I went to bed at 9:00pm on Sunday I was
> tired enough to get to sleep. This worked like a charm. I was
> exhausted after all the walking and slept like a baby.
>
> EXAM STRATEGY:
> I started off by making a 4 column table. The first column was to
> indicate the status of the question: blank - not done/skipped, check
> mark - done, question mark - solution entered but need to re-verify
> later. The second column was the question number. Third column was
> point value. Fourth column was for notes.
> I read the entire exam once making notes as I read. I then read it
> again.
> I then started the exam and verified every answer using show and debug
> commands as I went along.
> I finished everything with about 2.5 hours left. I used that time to
> re-do the exam. I'm glad I did because I found a few errors that didn't
> affect the solution but also didn't meet the requirements of the
> question. I would most certainly have gotten zero for those questions
> and may not have passed.
>
> I think I went to the proctors about 4 or 5 times and referenced the
> UniverCD about 7 or 8 times.
>
> FINAL THOUGHTS:
> Know yourself.
>
> You must know what your weaknesses are and focus on strengthening those
> areas. I spent 2 months studying only QoS and Multicast. I got to the
> point where I was hoping for a hard question in these 2 subject areas on
> the exam. OK, maybe I wasn't hoping for a hard question but I was
> certainly prepared for it.
>
> You must know what you are capable of. For me, studying 16 hours a day
> for 6 weeks straight last June was way too grueling. I really cut back
> the hours I studied in one day and spread it out using more days but
> less study hours in each day. My brain needed time each day to chew on
> the new information it just received. I couldn't retain anything during
> the 16-hour days.
>
> Don't study the day before or even 2 or 3 days before your exam.
> Because of the 2.5 day break I took before the exam, I was fresh and
> ready to go. I was more attentive and alert because of the break.
>
> Finally, this is a hard mountain to climb but it can definitely be
> climbed. It takes hard work, dedication, intelligence, imagination and
> heart, especially if you've already failed. I read a few posts on GS
> where people are worried that there are too many CCIE's and that this
> certification is becoming de-valued. I say bullsh*t. I don't care if
> there are 20,000 or 200,000 CCIE's out there, it still takes the
> qualities I just mentioned to become a CCIE. These qualities will never
> be de-valued.
>
> thanks and good luck to all those that are still climbing,
> Bruno Wollmann
> CCIE#19817
>
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