From: Patrick Galligan (pgalligan@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 2008 - 10:24:20 ARST
I already make more than some doctors, and I'm not even a CCIE yet.
Was making even more when I was contracting. To make a lot more money
being a doc here you have to have your own successful practise and/or
specialise in something that is expensive. There's a hell of a lot of
hard work and effort to get to that point, and depending on where you
are the constant worry of a suit. Meanwhile as a CCIE he could be
earning good money right now. Seems to be a lot of people here driven
by money eh?
On Jan 15, 2008 6:03 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> I'm going to invoke NRF (the evil troll of GS that pops up from now and
> then).
>
> Being a Doctor or a CCIE both suck!
>
> Compared to...
>
> The financial services industry!!! In particular Hedge fund or portfolio
> management, bond trader, investment banker. If you're not doing one of these
> really well, for a really good firm (or your own firm) and you are looking
> to make money, then you're wasting time. These guys can make more in one
> bonus than a doctor or CCIE makes in their lifetime... I heard stories at
> place I consulted of 10-100 million dollar bonuses... I was in awe ;)
>
> If you're smart enough, cool enough, tough enough go for it. A doctor on
> paper makes like $100,000 to $1,000,000 (I'm guessing). But the bigger and
> more complicated his practice, the more insurance he has to have. The more
> staff he has to pay. I have heard stories of doctors that bill millions to
> Medicare, etc. each year for procedures... but still if you want to make a
> lot of money, you need to "make your money in money".
>
> This is a groupstudy board for people who do want to do cisco, so we should
> take all these career guidance topics off-line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of John
> Curtis Gibson
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:33 AM
> To: Gary Duncanson
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Subject: Re: Have the number for 4 months, finished 1 semester in college as
> freshman, GPA 3.70
>
> US's MD market is kind of messy these days. A 40 yo woman in some Med school
> wrote this essay,
> http://www.mommd.com/40medschool.shtml
> , she said she once lived in the homeless shelter, with her children. The
> father didn't do any thing. I can not image the situation.
>
> 18 year old straight A's from high school ... hmm
> US only looks at college grades. 22 year old college straight A seniors are
> rare rare.
>
> U. Wisconsin med school new students' average GPA is 3.7 . Maybe 2/3 of GPA
> 3.7 students are turned down year after year. If I work for Harvard Med
> school teaching hospital's computer networking, they will take that as a
> Plus. My classmates in Biology volunteered in paramedics in the local county
> hospital. How good is that if they get an MD who fixes computer problem
> instead of calling the tech support when the patient is dieing on the table.
>
> But, again, the globe produced 18000 CCIE's in 15 or 20 years. That's about
> the number of MD's produced in the US along EACH year. Family doctors and
> psychiatrists and pediatricians don't necessary make more than CCIEs. My
> family doctor and the psychiatrist I met 2 months before I got my CCIE work
> in very small offices.
>
> My problem is money and age.
>
> I wanted to get the green card and worked for my company. I got the number
> almost the same time I got the green card.
>
> John
>
> Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote: I think I understand.
> You're not sure what to do now? Well...I think time
> and money will probably be big factors. If I could do it all again I would
> try to get into medical school but by the time I realised it was something
> that I would really like to do I was already too old, and I was younger than
>
> you then. I don't know what entry criteria to medical school is in the
> United States but in the UK the last time I checked they do not actively
> encourage mature entrants to medical schools as they are awash with straight
>
> 'A' 18 year old entrants anyway and have to turn thousands of them down due
> to a small number of places for new medical students each year. That's a
> lot of very bright kids with hopes of being a doctor dashed forever. If I
> was a millionaire I might consider going back to school to do it if I felt I
>
> could get in and perhaps become a GP in a quite town someplace who knows.
> But I'm not a millionaire yet. Are you? John a career in medicine takes
> years out of your life and it's going to cost a LOT of money. I don't know
> your circumstances but have you really thought this through very carefully?
> Five years at least I would have thought for med school. You could be
> earning as a CCIE during that period. Didn't you spend 6 plus attempts to
> get your number? Wouldn't you be better off throwing all of your energies
> into your career as a fledgling CCIE?
>
> How about working in Networking for a few years and finishing your biology
> degree part time? Then see if medicine still grabs you and you can afford
> it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Curtis Gibson"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:53 AM
> Subject: Have the number for 4 months, finished 1 semester in college as
> freshman, GPA 3.70
>
>
> > Biology major, 5 classes 11 credits in one semester. I can be on my way to
>
> > become a MD. But I need more money for that. Now I work half time making a
>
> > quarter of what CCIE is worth. It is winter vacation now. I went to see a
> > recruiting agent today in Boston. They were confused about my situation. I
>
> > managed to tell them I want to work for a hospital's IT/networking,
> > because that will look good in my medical school application. Now I am
> > home and I can't decide which way I want to go - becoming a doctor or a
> > network engineer. My title right now is software engineer, but I am more
> > like a network engineer. 2 months before I got the number, my girlfriend
> > dumped me. I used my girl friend's last name when I applied for the green
> > card. So, her last name became my legal last name. She couldn't stand the
> > stress when all I talked about was CCIE lab for more than 2 years spending
>
> > lots of money and still couldn't tell her how certain I was about passing
> > the exam. Now, I am 33, and I am a
> > college freshman. I got straight A's in science classes. I just went to
> > school to withdraw from the university. It is a top 200 school (in the US)
>
> > but given my grade I could transfer to top a 100 school.
> >
> >
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