From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Mon Jan 14 2008 - 18:03:41 ARST
I'm going to invoke NRF (the evil troll of GS that pops up from now and
then).
Being a Doctor or a CCIE both suck!
Compared to...
The financial services industry!!! In particular Hedge fund or portfolio
management, bond trader, investment banker. If you're not doing one of these
really well, for a really good firm (or your own firm) and you are looking
to make money, then you're wasting time. These guys can make more in one
bonus than a doctor or CCIE makes in their lifetime... I heard stories at
place I consulted of 10-100 million dollar bonuses... I was in awe ;)
If you're smart enough, cool enough, tough enough go for it. A doctor on
paper makes like $100,000 to $1,000,000 (I'm guessing). But the bigger and
more complicated his practice, the more insurance he has to have. The more
staff he has to pay. I have heard stories of doctors that bill millions to
Medicare, etc. each year for procedures... but still if you want to make a
lot of money, you need to "make your money in money".
This is a groupstudy board for people who do want to do cisco, so we should
take all these career guidance topics off-line.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of John
Curtis Gibson
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:33 AM
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Have the number for 4 months, finished 1 semester in college as
freshman, GPA 3.70
US's MD market is kind of messy these days. A 40 yo woman in some Med school
wrote this essay,
http://www.mommd.com/40medschool.shtml
, she said she once lived in the homeless shelter, with her children. The
father didn't do any thing. I can not image the situation.
18 year old straight A's from high school ... hmm
US only looks at college grades. 22 year old college straight A seniors are
rare rare.
U. Wisconsin med school new students' average GPA is 3.7 . Maybe 2/3 of GPA
3.7 students are turned down year after year. If I work for Harvard Med
school teaching hospital's computer networking, they will take that as a
Plus. My classmates in Biology volunteered in paramedics in the local county
hospital. How good is that if they get an MD who fixes computer problem
instead of calling the tech support when the patient is dieing on the table.
But, again, the globe produced 18000 CCIE's in 15 or 20 years. That's about
the number of MD's produced in the US along EACH year. Family doctors and
psychiatrists and pediatricians don't necessary make more than CCIEs. My
family doctor and the psychiatrist I met 2 months before I got my CCIE work
in very small offices.
My problem is money and age.
I wanted to get the green card and worked for my company. I got the number
almost the same time I got the green card.
John
Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote: I think I understand.
You're not sure what to do now? Well...I think time
and money will probably be big factors. If I could do it all again I would
try to get into medical school but by the time I realised it was something
that I would really like to do I was already too old, and I was younger than
you then. I don't know what entry criteria to medical school is in the
United States but in the UK the last time I checked they do not actively
encourage mature entrants to medical schools as they are awash with straight
'A' 18 year old entrants anyway and have to turn thousands of them down due
to a small number of places for new medical students each year. That's a
lot of very bright kids with hopes of being a doctor dashed forever. If I
was a millionaire I might consider going back to school to do it if I felt I
could get in and perhaps become a GP in a quite town someplace who knows.
But I'm not a millionaire yet. Are you? John a career in medicine takes
years out of your life and it's going to cost a LOT of money. I don't know
your circumstances but have you really thought this through very carefully?
Five years at least I would have thought for med school. You could be
earning as a CCIE during that period. Didn't you spend 6 plus attempts to
get your number? Wouldn't you be better off throwing all of your energies
into your career as a fledgling CCIE?
How about working in Networking for a few years and finishing your biology
degree part time? Then see if medicine still grabs you and you can afford
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Curtis Gibson"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:53 AM
Subject: Have the number for 4 months, finished 1 semester in college as
freshman, GPA 3.70
> Biology major, 5 classes 11 credits in one semester. I can be on my way to
> become a MD. But I need more money for that. Now I work half time making a
> quarter of what CCIE is worth. It is winter vacation now. I went to see a
> recruiting agent today in Boston. They were confused about my situation. I
> managed to tell them I want to work for a hospital's IT/networking,
> because that will look good in my medical school application. Now I am
> home and I can't decide which way I want to go - becoming a doctor or a
> network engineer. My title right now is software engineer, but I am more
> like a network engineer. 2 months before I got the number, my girlfriend
> dumped me. I used my girl friend's last name when I applied for the green
> card. So, her last name became my legal last name. She couldn't stand the
> stress when all I talked about was CCIE lab for more than 2 years spending
> lots of money and still couldn't tell her how certain I was about passing
> the exam. Now, I am 33, and I am a
> college freshman. I got straight A's in science classes. I just went to
> school to withdraw from the university. It is a top 200 school (in the US)
> but given my grade I could transfer to top a 100 school.
>
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