From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jan 13 2008 - 16:45:06 ARST
Cheaters suck, but Cisco is the pathetic one that doesn't see any financial
gain in dealing with the problem. Changing up the test format and adding a
couple hours of real troubleshooting could help. I say bring back the two
day lab. IMO Cisco needs to man up and do something. They can't shut these
companies down. The best thing is creating a better lab, but if I remembe
right the reason to drop from the two day to the one day was costs right? So
if it's cheaper to let people cheat, and more profitable, why bother with
it. That's executive mentality. I suppose that's motivation enough to go out
and diversify on different vendors/products. These are JUST certifications.
Today, they net you 100k + jobs, tomorrow maybe not. You get enough doubt
from managers and the industry (I've seen it on this board plently), these
certifications slowly become worth less over time. I wonder if anyone with
ANY inlfluence and power as far as the lab is concerned even bothers to read
this list.
DR
On 1/12/08, Luan Nguyen <luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's one reason not to buy.
> Another is that you don't want these people to survive and exist.
> Another is you are ungrateful and betrayal to the hardworking instructors
> and other people who try to help you on this list.
> Give something that people or at least I, can understand.
> I don't understand that "paper" and "interview" thing and i sometime smirk
> at righteousness.
> If i sit in an interview with you guys, no one would be able to tell
> anything from anything...hehe now that doesn't mean i know everything,
> just
> that i would request the DOC CD to look for answer :) And I am sure most
> people IF they have CCIE, one way or another, don't have problem with
> technical interview questions, little or big.
>
> -lmn
>
> On Jan 12, 2008 8:41 AM, Wael Mahmood <wmahmood@prosylab.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > > this company is a fake company, u dont have any gurantee for money,
> > > technical issues,
> > > CCIE is to build your knowledge and burden your experienc, by reading
> > > every document in cisco site,
> > > let's imagine what happen when an ccie interviewd by some one and cant
> > > answer his little qustion.
> > > any way dont even think about such fake sites.
> > Wael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Goglidze" <goglidze@gmail.com>
> > To: "Luan Nguyen" <luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; "Cisco certification"
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: cciecert book ?!!
> >
> >
> > > beers? :)))) nice way to get some sleep. :))))))) and get a terrible
> > > headache the next day...
> > >
> > > Sorry mate, I'm going on 31st of January, otherwise I'd sure get one
> of
> > > that
> > > beers, with no alcohol though... :)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2008 4:19 AM, Luan Nguyen <luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I guess i should take these things seriously. My apology if i made
> > anyone
> > >> mad.
> > >> I believe in karma. I should avoid these topics before the lab.
> > Anyone
> > >> in
> > >> RTP February 10, beers on me :)
> > >>
> > >> -lmn
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 9, 2008 10:01 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > If you cheat your way to the CCIE you have earned nothing... it's
> > like
> > >> > having all the $100 bills in the world, and everyone else is
> dead...
> > >> what
> > >> > good is it?
> > >> >
> > >> > The moment you come in to work (either full-time or as a
> consultant)
> > >> > and
> > >> > burn me or my clients I will call/email every recruiter and
> > consultant
> > >> in
> > >> > town and get the word out why they shouldn't hire you...
> > >> >
> > >> > Learn this now...
> > >> >
> > >> > Do a great job and impress the sh*t out of someone - they tell 2
> > people
> > >> > Piss someone off - they will tell 100's of people.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't know how it works over in ASIA, but in the US it's a very
> > small
> > >> > world. In a city of 25 million people (ny area) I routinely run
> into
> > >> many
> > >> > previous colleagues and associates and people that have heard my
> > >> > name...
> > >> >
> > >> > There is no shortcut for studying hard and learning the right way.
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > >> > Luan
> > >> > Nguyen
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:20 PM
> > >> > To: Cisco certification
> > >> > Subject: Re: cciecert book ?!!
> > >> >
> > >> > Eh, at least if you study hard (so you say :) ) and fail, then you
> > >> > could
> > >> > come in here and cry and get consolation and maybe some nice
> > instructor
> > >> > somewhere could offer you to take some mock labs for free or let
> you
> > >> resit
> > >> > whatever class you took, yah? Would that make you feel better than
> > >> getting
> > >> > a
> > >> > "paper" CCIE? "paper" maybe, CCIE nonetheless!
> > >> > If i fail, then i might seriously give this thing a thought hehe
> and
> > >> worry
> > >> > about explaining to my wife and kids later :)
> > >> >
> > >> > -lmn
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Jan 8, 2008 7:56 AM, Ramy Sisy <ramysisy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Totally agree with you.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I have met many "Paper" RS CCIEs they cannot even calculate
> > different
> > >> > VLSM
> > >> > > subnets for different IPv4 classes.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And they end up by working in very low end technical positions
> with
> > >> very
> > >> > > low
> > >> > > income compared to standard offered positions.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ramy Sisy
> > >> > >
> > >> > > CCIE#17321 (Security), CCSI#30417, CCNP, C|EH, C|HFI
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Technical Instructor
> > >> > >
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> We
> > >> take
> > >> > > Cisco Learning credits!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > rsisy@ccbootcamp.com
> > >> > >
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> > >> > >
> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >> > > Goyal, Avdhesh
> > >> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:51 PM
> > >> > > To: Monica Belluci; Cielieska Nathan; Cisco certification
> > >> > > Subject: RE: cciecert book ?!!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I also came to know from someone that these guys are providing
> 4-5
> > >> labs
> > >> > >
> > >> > > which is very close to real CCIE lab and infact some of them have
> > >> passed
> > >> > >
> > >> > > also using these labs.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > But even myself can't believe in this kind of things and we will
> go
> > >> the
> > >> > >
> > >> > > way we were going earlier.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you pass CCIE and don't know anything, how will you face your
> > >> > >
> > >> > > customer? and even your colleagues will not recognise you and
> they
> > >> will
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 100% call you "Stupid CCIE", if not in front of you, atleast to
> > >> everyone
> > >> > >
> > >> > > else.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So lets get the number not only for the sake of number. Am I
> right
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?????/
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > thnx
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > >
> > >> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Monica Belluci
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:10 PM
> > >> > >
> > >> > > To: Cielieska Nathan; Cisco certification
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Subject: Re: cciecert book ?!!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > May be it is a fake site ?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nalini Roy
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Jan 8, 2008 11:38 AM, Cielieska Nathan <ncielieska@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Al Gore?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:48 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > How would you get your money back through Internet?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > On 1/7/08, Joseph Saad <joseph.samir.saad@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> They are located on the Internet .. LOL :-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> On Jan 8, 2008 7:00 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com
> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> Totally agreed.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> But let's say you paid 1000 dollars and you purchased the
> > work
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> book, and you studied the three four or five labs that they
> > >> > > > >>> give
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> you, and let's say
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> you
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> take the lab and fail, NOW WHAT? WHO WOULD YOU COMPLAIN TO?
> > >> WHERE
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> WOULD YOU GO TO GET A REFUND? WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> On 1/7/08, Jonny English <redkidneybeans@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> Using such material is the quickest way to lose your job
> and
> > a
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> career
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> that
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> puts food on the table. Study hard, and pass on your own
> > >> merits.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> On Jan 8, 2008 8:26 AM, Wael Mahmood <
> wmahmood@prosylab.com>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>> Dear All,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>>> does anyone hear about the book that cciecert provide,
> > they
> > >> say
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> that
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> it
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>> includes real lab exams and it's solutions.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>>> what do u know about it?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>> Wael
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>
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> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> --
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>> Thank You,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>>>
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> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> --
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> Narbik Kocharians
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> CCSI# 30832
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <
> http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >>> www.Net-WorkBooks.com <http://www.net-workbooks.com/>
> > >> > >
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> > >> > > > > Narbik Kocharians
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > CCSI# 30832
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > www.Net-WorkBooks.com <http://www.net-workbooks.com/>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
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