From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sat Jan 12 2008 - 04:19:47 ARST
Is it just me, or is the list spitting back messages a few days late
again???
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:48 PM
To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'keith tokash'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael
Mahmood'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
While I can't comment about all the points you list, be very careful about
the sweeping "other vendors" part in point #1. After spending many 10pm,
11pm, midnite (usually 1am I kick anyone out who's still working so that we
won't be TOO grumpy in the morning), I do kinda resent being lumped into
that.
Not all classes "need" to go that late. (At least in my case) I leave it up
to students to work from wherever. I always guarantee to be on e-mail until
at least 1am (which is why I'm often accused of not sleeping), so students
can feel free to work from wherever they are more comfortable.
While it may very well be that Narbik and I are the only two ADD/Insomniac
instructors out there, it seems highly unlikely. I don't have experience
with other vendors to say one way or the other as you do, but I would still
caution against lumping EVERYONE together in statements like that!
Just my two cents. Back to sleep now. Oh, damn. Students in class.
Caffeine. Good. :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:22 PM
To: keith tokash; Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael Mahmood'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
Some of the things I think that is noticeably different about Narbik's
Bootcamp versus others are:
1. 9AM to Midnight with the Instructor - Other vendors stop at 5-6pm and
leave students to their own devices.
2. One-on-one attention on a candidates issues and deficiencies. I've heard
of at least one other bootcamp that has two instructors dedicated per
sstudent (so I hear), but at other bootcamps, if a student has "too many"
deficiencies, then a student may or may not get sufficient instructor
attention.
Resulting in varying value to each student per bootcamp. Hmmm... Not
naming names here but it is wrth mentioning.
3. Narbik is said to focus on basics and fundamentals
- well that is what the CCIE Lab consists of, so this
has value. As a veteran Boot Camp attendee at this
point, I can tell you that I've seen students (and yes me too) flounder for
(blush) several minutes (30 or
more) to hours on a mis-understood or basic topic. As such I can tell you
this derails the value of a bootcamp to some students as well.
- Joe has a point here a well-prepared student has little value attending a
bootcamp. However, I'd say based on my personal observations - most
students are just not that well-prepared - I know it took me two year to get
where I am now and I am thankful for the experiences. Still acknowledging I
have a bit to go.
Ok got a problem to resolve...
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