From: Salau, Yemi (yemi.salau@siemens.com)
Date: Thu Jan 10 2008 - 09:51:16 ARST
Ok, my own take on this ...
Let's face it, people don't pass CCIE because they went to a bootcamp. They pass CCIE because they've acquired the level of expertise, experience and skills required to. Ofcourse there are ways to put these 3 ingridents together, and one of those will be Bootcamps ... But that doesn't mean it's the only way, there were days where people don't do bootcamps, now compare the pass rate then with the pass rate now ... Surely the difference is clear.
I'm not a great fan of Bootcamps, when my company decided to send me on a CCIE bootcamp, I turned it down because I knew it wouldn't work for me. I actually asked to use the ### for something else which was approved. Having said that, this doesn't mean bootcamps don't work for others, one man's food is another's poison.
From my perspective, if you're not ready for the exam in the first place, some bootcamps will only bring that readiness to you, and when you return back to work after it, you are then engrosed in your day2day BAUs, before you know it ... Another 2 months gone and here is you feeling rusty again. This is not always the case though, but like I said, I would rather groom myself hard. I've always had the perception that a typical Bootcamp fees will pay for about 4 of my CCIE labs ... I'd rather fail, learn from my mistakes 100times than spend all that money on Bootcamps and pass on 1 attempt. For me, it's those things that gets to you in the hard way, that sticks much longer.
But, let us not rubbish Bootcamps because we don't fancy them ... Imagine a CCIE world without all the vendors' products, STOP! Ask any of the first 999 CCIEs how it felt like, and you'll understand what I mean.
Many Thanks
Yemi Salau
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Luan Nguyen
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:06 AM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
If i have to pay for it myself, then i wouldn't take bootcamps. But if my
company is paying for it, then why not?
For me, the bootcamp was good. It taught me lots of things such as to use
ping script, to draw out things, how to do redistribution with loops...etc
In my bootcamp, noone ask questions like that! The instructor asked those
and we try to answer them.
Maybe for people study hard like yourself :) you don't need bootcamp, but
for lazy idiot like me, it molds you! it was the first time i did an 8
hours lab! But up until now, I rarely use the site, and haven't look at the
bootcamp materials since...ugh.
Is getting the CCIE really that hard? well, not if you are well prepared.
Am i well prepared? Time will tell my friend...time will tell.
-lmn
On Jan 9, 2008 11:38 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> I don't mean to be a stickler here, but why do people take bootcamps?
>
> I don't mean to deprive any senior multi-CCIE's of their income... but
> compared to what is going on the world (quantative financial trading
> models,
> programmers building genome analyzing software to look for diseases,
> cryptanalysts breaking hugo chavez's emails, etc.) is getting the CCIE
> really that hard?
>
> Why not just learn the material, come here, ask questions, go back and
> learn
> some more and then pass!
>
> I don't think I could stand being in a room where someone raises their
> hand
> and asks "what a DHCP option?" or "Why do we use route reflectors?" for 2
> seconds, I don't know about you guys!
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:02 AM
> To: Hoogen; Wael Mahmood
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> Well, I've heard of at least 4 passing after having
> attended his bootcamps so... maybe worth a good look
> in the archives.
>
> I've seen some of his work and it seems simple and to
> the point.
>
> So much that I've got my own travel reservations made
> to attend in Pasadena in February.
>
> Contact me offline if you want to know more.
>
> Later...
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Darby
> --- Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Damn...where were you all these days... It's been
> > going on and on . So much
> > good feedback have been given about Narbik and you
> > missed it. Just search
> > the archives....
> >
> > -Hoogen
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2008 6:47 AM, Wael Mahmood
> > <wmahmood@prosylab.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > X Does any one attend the boot camp R&S with
> > 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > >
> > > X Hope anyone can tell me about him and if he is
> > excellent or not, lab
> > >
> > > X Pls tell me all what u know about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Wael
> > >
> > >
> >
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