From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Jan 10 2008 - 04:12:07 ARST
Very well said and very true.
Thanks Scott.
--- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind that there are a good number of people
> out there who only used
> the DocCD, the routers/switches and their own warped
> sense of humor to pass
> the lab.
>
> I'm not entirely sure where this thread is going,
> but one of the big things
> people seem to be lacking these days is time.
> Without the proper time to
> study, it's not nearly as readily accessible to pass
> the lab for many folks.
> Bootcamps serve a purpose in this aspect to
> accelerate and/or compress the
> learning curve that people have.
>
> No bootcamp should be the ONLY thing that is
> necessary to pass the lab. But
> many people are looking for an added value in order
> to supplement the time
> they are putting in already such that they can
> continue to work, or have
> family time or whatever it happens to be.
>
> Not everyone has a strong consulting background.
> Even those that do, many
> come from "niched" consulting opportunities and have
> a very narrow (but
> deep) set of knowledge coming in. People come from
> all sorts of different
> backgrounds, but most still have the motivation to
> learn and soak up any and
> all knowledge that they can!
>
> There just happens to be more information available
> these days than in
> previous years.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:17 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Wael Mahmood'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
>
> Come to think of it the CCNA and CCNP exams were a
> little more straight
> forward and a lot of commercial materials were
> readily available, especially
> for these areas.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> The CCIE Written is another under-served area by
> comparison.
>
> For the CCIE, take away our vendors (who give
> bootcamps and CCIE Training)
> and we are left with...
>
> The DOC CD and a few Cisco Press Books (the ones
> with practice labs that are
> a bit dated).
>
>
> --- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't mean to be a stickler here, but why do
> people take bootcamps?
> >
> > I don't mean to deprive any senior multi-CCIE's of
> their income... but
> > compared to what is going on the world (quantative
> financial trading
> > models, programmers building genome analyzing
> software to look for
> > diseases, cryptanalysts breaking hugo chavez's
> emails, etc.) is
> > getting the CCIE really that hard?
> >
> > Why not just learn the material, come here, ask
> questions, go back and
> > learn some more and then pass!
> >
> > I don't think I could stand being in a room where
> someone raises their
> > hand and asks "what a DHCP option?" or "Why do we
> use route
> > reflectors?" for 2 seconds, I don't know about you
> guys!
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Darby
> Weaver
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:02 AM
> > To: Hoogen; Wael Mahmood
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
> >
> > Well, I've heard of at least 4 passing after
> having
> > attended his bootcamps so... maybe worth a good
> > look
> > in the archives.
> >
> > I've seen some of his work and it seems simple and
> to the point.
> >
> > So much that I've got my own travel reservations
> made to attend in
> > Pasadena in February.
> >
> > Contact me offline if you want to know more.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Darby
> > --- Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Damn...where were you all these days... It's
> been going on and on .
> > > So much good feedback have been given about
> Narbik and you missed
> > > it. Just search the archives....
> > >
> > > -Hoogen
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2008 6:47 AM, Wael Mahmood
> <wmahmood@prosylab.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > X Does any one attend the boot camp R&S with
> > > 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > >
> > > > X Hope anyone can tell me about him and if he
> > is
> > > excellent or not, lab
> > > >
> > > > X Pls tell me all what u know about.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Wael
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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