From: Jo Knight (joknight@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Dec 16 2007 - 17:12:53 ART
Thanks Scott,
Its good to get a few opinions on this. I know that you run a combination of
Mac Mini and switches which I guess works well, but its good to know it woud
be able to handle upwards of 15 router instances.
In response to Darth, I guess people are looking at the Mini because its a
cool little box that you can stick under the TV (or wherever) and it can
handle the tasks. I havent owned a desktop PC for a while and would get one
but I just dont have the space at the moment, and the idea of a Mini suits
me fine if it does the job :)
Thanks all,
Jo
On 16/12/2007, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> Hey DR,
>
> Mac sux for everyday use IMHO. However, if you're going to dedicate a
> machine to Dynamips, OS X or Linux simply can't be beat. Also, you can
> run
> Dynamips on the Mini but Dynagen on your Windows box, which seriously
> minimizes your direct interaction with OS X.
>
> Jo,
>
> I have been running the full IEWB topology on a Mini for quite some time
> now. Running Advanced Enterprise code and with all of the routers fully
> configured (IGPs, BGP, etc), my CPU utilization is between 20 and
> 30%. None
> of the lab topologies I'm doing calls for 13 or 14 routers, but I have ran
> in excess of 20 just to see what I could see. By the time you get in the
> neighborhood of 25 routers, that Duo Core proc is going to be stressed.
>
> The most important thing to bear in mind is that if you're going to go
> this
> route, plan to set aside a good full week to learn the ropes of your new
> OS.
> Seems some like to go with OS X or Linux and then immediately post on the
> Hacki forum (or worse, here) asking for a good hand-holding. They usually
> don't elicit too much of a response, because it's pretty clear when
> someone
> isn't trying very hard to help themselves. Be willing to invest the time
> or
> just chose to invest the cash in a hardware rack instead...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> darth router
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:38 AM
> To: Jo Knight
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: dyanmips lab setup help needed: how to install 12 usb network
> card?
>
> Sheesh!
>
> people must be working for Crapple on this board. Mac still sux just like
> it
> always did. Jo, you can use any brand of PC. Get a quad core, more bang
> for
> your buck.
>
> DR
>
> On 12/16/07, Jo Knight <joknight@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I too am thinking to get a Mac Mini to suppliment my rack rental
> sessions,
> > and am keen to know how it performs with a fully configured lab on the
> go.
> > How does it perform with 14-15 routers configured?
> >
> > I am looking to get the core 2 duo 2Ghz with 2GB RAM model.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16/12/2007, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > hehehehehe... Well, I get asked enough questions about it on boards
> and
> > > in
> > > class that I figured I may as well have used the thing. :)
> > >
> > > But it's certainly not my primary mode of playing around.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Greg Wendel [mailto:gwendel@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:31 PM
> > > To: Scott Morris
> > > Cc: Graham Clarke; darth router; Li Xiao Shawn NCS;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: dyanmips lab setup help needed: how to install 12 usb
> > network
> > > card?
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > I couldn't help but comment that a if man with a lab that needs its
> own
> > > power plant is using dynamips then it is definitely going places.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 15, 2007 10:58 PM, Scott Morris < swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I've just been playing around with things since it's gaining
> popularity.
> > > Personally I still use real equipment... But the Mac worked
> > wonderfully.
> > > OS on mine is 10.4 OS/x. I haven't upgraded it to 10.5 yet, but will
> > > likely
> > > do that soon.
> > >
> > > It's nice, quiet and not that hot. :)
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: ciscosurplus@gmail.com [mailto:ciscosurplus@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Graham Clarke
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:30 PM
> > > Cc: darth router; Scott Morris; Li Xiao Shawn NCS;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: dyanmips lab setup help needed: how to install 12 usb
> > network
> > > card?
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > Mac mini seems to ba popular weapon of choice, what is the performance
> > > like
> > > on a fully loaded lab? ie BGP flaps etc? Also what OS do you run on
> > them?
> > > Sounds a lot better than the massive sever that generates more
> radiation
> > > than chernoby I currently use.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
> > > On 15/12/2007, Laidlaw, Patrick A. <Patrick.Laidlaw@wwt.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Li,
> > >
> > > I would have to agree go buy three 4 port nics you'll be much happier
> in
> > > the end. I've been using three that have worked flawless for the last
> > > year.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > > darth router
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:17 AM
> > > To: Scott Morris
> > > Cc: Li Xiao Shawn NCS; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: dyanmips lab setup help needed: how to install 12 usb
> > > network card?
> > >
> > > Hey Li,
> > >
> > > maybe your having a USB driver issue of some sort. I've used USB nics
> > > without problem. I'm not much of a PC guy anymore, but I have noticed
> > > different systems tank when you plug in a few USB devices in Windows.
> > > Those NIO_GEN_eth ids change (long time ago, so not 100% sure) when
> you
> > > pull the USB Nics off and add them back on, so that pissed me off and
> I
> > > ended up buying 3
> > > 4 port NICs. If you get them, make sure you have a large ATX case. The
> > > cards are long.
> > >
> > >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ZNYX-4-PORT-NETWORK-INTERFACE-CARD-NIC-MODEL-ZX346Q_
> > > <
> > >
> >
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ZNYX-4-PORT-NETWORK-INTERFACE-CARD-NIC-MODEL-ZX346Q_W0Q
> > > QitemZ170177548909QQihZ007QQcategoryZ51195QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm>
> > >
> W0QQitemZ170177548909QQihZ007QQcategoryZ51195QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm
> > > dZViewItem
> > >
> > > On 12/15/07, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I haven't done this with Windows at all, but I have 12 nic's running
> > > > on a Mac Mini without issue. (little slow in booting, but other
> than
> > > > that
> > > > good)
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
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> > > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > > Of Li Xiao Shawn NCS
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:50 AM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: dyanmips lab setup help needed: how to install 12 usb
> network
> > >
> > > > card?
> > > >
> > > > Hi experts,
> > > > Well this may sound dump.. i bought 12 usb nics and hope to
> setup
> > > > a full dynamip lab with dedicated nic for each virtual routers.. i
> > > > bought 3 units of 4-port USB hub for the 12 nics.. the system has no
> > > > problem recognizing the first 4 nics.. however the moment i add in
> the
> > >
> > > > 5th nic, it crashes with the first nic; when add in the 6th, it
> > > > crashes with the 2nd.. and so on..
> > > > I have already spread the usb hubs among the USB ports on my board..
> i
> > >
> > > > even tried geting pci usb hub but the situation is the same.. not
> sure
> > >
> > > > whether anyone encountered this before and hopefully someone can
> give
> > > > mi some advise on
> > > > this.. I am using windows XP..
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and Regards,
> > > > lx
> > > >
> > > >
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