From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 07 2007 - 20:10:13 ART
Fair comment. In my experience they already do.
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramya S" <ramya_1975@hotmail.com>
To: "Tandou Mohamed" <dtandou@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: magic numbers
> It does not matter if you hold multiple ccie's or there are growing number
> of
> ccie's. Your experience and knowledge depth is the most important thing. I
> am
> sure many companies will start to prefer people with more experience.
>
> Regards
> Dr Ramya Sen
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:57:34 -0800> From: dtandou@yahoo.com> Subject:
>> Re:
> RE: magic numbers> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com> > The only reason the ccie
> numbers are growing because there are a lot resources available now than
> it
> used to be. and also the cost to put a lab together went down. routers
> cost
> less now on ebay than they used to be. Since .COM went away everything is
> cheap now. everybody can afford rack rental. Some people don't even have
> to
> buy routers or rent a rack because of DYNAMIPS. Now all colege students
> and
> high school students want to be CCIE because there is more money to make.
> don't worry the number will be high. Just be a double CCIE or triple CCIE
> to
> make a difference if you are realy conerned about the number going high>
> Just
> my thought.> > Peace up> > > Gary Duncanson
> <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> wrote:> Can I have one of these dumb managers please who are about to get
> laid
> off?> > Everyone I ever worked for knew their stuff :)> ----- Original
> Message
> ----- > From: "dara tomar" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007
> 5:19 PM> Subject: Re: RE: magic numbers> > > > *hehehehehe............ :)
> :)
> :)> > > > Yeh Michael, that's true...................... :) :) :)> > > >
> Regards,> > Dara> > *> > On Dec 7, 2007 9:49 PM, wrote:> > > >> Excellent
> point my friend, the days of telling your manager that it will> >> take a
> couple of days to add some routes are coming to an end.> >>> >> :)> >>>
> >>> >>
> Michael Jones> >> Network Engineer> >> Global Network Operations> >> Dell
> Inc.
> | Information Technology> >> W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908> >>> >>
> -----Original Message-----> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of> >> Colin McNamara> >> Sent:
> Friday, December 07, 2007 10:12 AM> >> To: Cisco certification> >>
> Subject:
> RE: RE: magic numbers> >>> >> One interesting statistic I would like to
> see is
> the> >> distribution of ages across tracks. My guess is that will just
> over
> 10> >> years in the program, the first CCIE's have migrated into the
> management> >> / principle consultant ranks. Once 2010-2011 rolls around
> the
> "CCIE baby> >> boom" of> >> 2000-2001 should be working their way into
> management.> >>> >> Everybody sounds very afraid of a large number of new
> CCIE's> >> competing with them for engineering jobs in the market place,
> while
> what> >> I think we should really be worried about is having managers that
> know> >> just a little to much.> >>> >> --> >> Colin McNamara> >>
> (858)208-8105> >> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH> >> http://www.2cups.com> >>> >>
> "The
> difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little> >>
> longer">
>>>> >> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 20:20 -0500, Paul Dardinski wrote:> >> >
>>>> >> Darby,>
>>> >> >> > Please note that I am absolutely certain that Cisco will not
>>> >> >> > allow
> the> >>> >> > cert to be devalued. Whenever the magic number hits 30k or
> whatever is> >>> >> > really irrelevant. It's a very difficult test and
> quite
> highly valued> >> > in the industry and this has basically caused a larger
> number to> >> pursue it.> >> >> >> >> >> > As has been said before here,
> it's
> not so much what the number is vs.> >> > what it means. Honestly I haven't
> met
> too many CCIE's who didn't know> >> > what they were talking about. Yes,
> there
> will always be a few bad> >> > apples, but in the end it's only a
> milestone,
> not an> >> > ending.....besides...there will always be room for
> differentiation by> >> > dual-cert, etc.> >> >> >> > PD (#16842)> >> >> >>
> >
> -----Original Message-----> >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf> >> > Of Darby Weaver> >> > Sent:
> Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:13 PM> >> > To: Scott Vermillion; 'Joseph
> Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy> >> tanner'> >> > Cc:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> > Subject: OT: RE: magic numbers> >> >> >> >
> Actually, the CCIE with number 30,000 will likely occur at the> >> >
> current
> rate by the end of 2008.> >> >> >> > The number 20,000 will happen pretty
> close to the end of 2007 at the> >> > current rate, unless we just got a
> big
> fluke.> >> >> >> >> >> > Now the number of active CCIE's will dwindle as
> well.> >> >> >> > As Narbik pointed only about 16,000 or so active at the
> moment.> >> >> >> > Many get into other lucrative careers, advance in
> management or other> >> > aspects of I.T.> >> >> >> > And then there are
> those
> who reap what they sow and find out that a> >> > piece of paper truly
> holds
> anything.> >> > I suspect these folks may maintain their certs but some
> will
> just let> >> > go - it is a value proposition.> >> >> >> > Overall the
> outlook
> is favorable. However, the golden halo days are> >> > numbered.> >> >> >>
> > Of
> course being a CCIE versus not being a CCIE....> >> > Still is a worth its
> while.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- Scott Vermillion > >> > wrote:>
> >> >>
>>> > > Yeah, but it's kinda like guessing the number of jellybeans in a> >>
>>> > > >
>> really, really large jar. I'm drawn to such nonsense (and rarely> >> > >
> guess anywhere near correctly)...> >> > >> >> > > -----Original
> Message----->
>>> > > From: Joseph Brunner> >> > > [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]> >> >
>>> > > >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:57 PM> >> > > To: 'Scott Vermillion';
> 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'> >> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> >
> >
> Subject: RE: magic numbers> >> > >> >> > > Any takers on when 30k comes to
> pass??> >> > >> >> > > October 2010> >> > >> >> > > Guess what?> >> > >>
> >> >
>> By then the number certified *might* be 20,000. Many who have it now> >>>
>> >>
>> > will lapse, pass away, retire from the business, etc.> >> > >> >> > >
> Which in a world of million networks means it's still going to be> >> > >
> quite a good living.> >> > >> >> > > Imagine in the WHOLE WORLD there were
> *only* 20,000 doctors...> >> > > Imagine how much each one would make...>
> >> >
>>> >> > > ;)> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com> >> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Vermillion> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:44 PM> >> >
> >
> To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'> >> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> >
>> Subject: RE: magic numbers> >> > >> >> > > I can only hope it takes that
> long Gary! (and that I somehow> >> > > miraculously pass on my first
> attempt
> in early Feb). Any takers on> >> > > when 30k comes to pass??> >> > >> >>
> > >
> -----Original Message-----> >> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com> >> > >
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary Duncanson> >> > > Sent:
> Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 PM> >> > > To: cindy tanner> >> > > Cc:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> > > Subject: Re: magic numbers> >> > >> >> > >
> Cindy,> >> > >> >> > > It's a mystery to me. I reckon we will be 20000
> come
> end of> >> > > February.> >> > >> >> > > Regards> >> > > Gary> >> >
> > -----
> Original Message -----> >> > > From: "cindy tanner" > >> > > To: > >> > >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:10 PM> >> > > Subject: OT: magic
> numbers>
>>> > >> >> > >> >> > > > Experts,> >> > > > As I study and watch the
>>> > >> >> > >> >> > > > messages
> go by, I have> >> > > noticed that numbers> >> > > > 19499> >> > > > and
> 19519
> seem to have occurred on the same day.> >> > > Is Cisco turning out 20> >>
> > >
>> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers> >> > > sequentially -
> maybe> >> > > > this> >> > > > is not the case? Anybody know?> >> > > >>
> >> >
>> > Cindy> >> > > > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >
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