From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 17:17:58 ART
Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
here on GS.
There were at least another 25 since the people got
their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
So...
The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
What is truly significant is the number of first time
passers and the number of people who have achieved
multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
after achieving the 1st CCIE.
Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
once was and it is not because the material is any
less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
times since its inception. I still recall the
written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
who write the books and who use a lot of these
technologies on a daily basis.
But hey there are a lot of good materials available
these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
and working very hard to get past this little monster.
Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
lab candidates.
And let's not forget many of the people studying who
are passing did not wake up last week and start
studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
Caslow's checklists helped.
NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
Step-by-Step a reality.
Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
everyone.
Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
the famous Soup to Nuts product.
H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
manner he prepares his students.
Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
on one is what I here.
Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
Middle Eastern region.
FastLane and another training company in Europe are
famous for their programs.
Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
recall.
InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
possibilities are exceptional.
Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
NLI offers their executive study program.
Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
issue.
The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
A similar school in India does the same. At least one
or two.
The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
Schools.
There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
people who have trouble speaking English or reading
English are passing a test with objectives in very
explicit English.
So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
passing faster than MCSE's.
Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
Dynamips and PEMU got released.
Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
labs and coming back at will.
What's more those same images are shared and so the
work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
filters can stop this now.
So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
to get started.
And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
They buy it and try to pass "GO".
As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
commands... per lab.
Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
break.
I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
per day as well.
So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
permanent trend.
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There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
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Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
2008. And the terminal server too...
It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
perceived value.
And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
nice but given the amount of current candidates -
there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
if it were two days in length again.
Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
new) as newbies.
--- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
> Experts,
> As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
> noticed that numbers 19499
> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
> Cisco turning out 20
> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
> sequentially - maybe this
> is not the case? Anybody know?
>
> Cindy
> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>
>
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